Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics.airliners Path: news From: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) Subject: Re: Boeing 767 Cockpit Size X-Submission-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:24:22 GMT References: Message-ID: Approved: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM Organization: Chicago Software Works Sender: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM X-Submission-Message-ID: <1992Dec30.212422.15659@ohare.Chicago.COM> Date: 30 Dec 92 13:27:32 PST In article Tony Heatwole writes: > "In August 1981, eleven months before the first scheduled > delivery of Boeing's new airplane, the 767, Dean Thornton, > program's vice president - general manager, faced a critical > decision ... > " . . . Customers were notified of the additional cost and > delivery delay they could expect on these thirty planes. The > impact was not large: a small percentage increase in costs and > an average delay of one month from promised delivery dates. > All but one airline chose to have their planes built with > two-person cockpits." > >So, the interesting question is, what was the *one* airline, and >what has become of their 3-person cockpit 767s? Were these >planes later converted to 2-person cockpits? I don't know the >answers, but I'm curious. Here are the first thirty-one 767s: ln sn model first flt customer reg'n -- ----- ------- --------- -------- ----- 1 22233 767-200 8/26/81 Boeing N767BA 2 21862 767-222 11/ 4/81 United N601UA 3 21863 767-222 11/24/81 United N602UA 4 21864 767-222 12/19/81 United N603UA 5 21865 767-222 1/18/82 United N604UA 6 22213 767-232 2/19/82 Delta N101DA 7 21866 767-222 3/25/82 United N605UA 8 22307 767-223 10/ 6/82 American N301AA 9 21867 767-222 7/20/82 United N606UA 10 21868 767-222 8/13/82 United N607UA 11 21869 767-222 7/19/82 United N608UA 12 22214 767-232 8/27/82 Delta N102DA 13 21870 767-222 9/17/82 United N609UA 14 22564 767-231 10/15/82 TWA N601TW 15 21871 767-222 10/30/82 United N610UA 16 22517 767-233 10/ 9/82 Air Canada C-GAUB 17 22215 767-232 9/25/82 Delta N103DA 18 22681 767-209 11/23/82 China Airlines B-1836 19 22308 767-223 11/ 1/82 American N302AA 20 21872 767-222 1/27/83 United N611UA 21 22565 767-231 11/13/82 TWA N602TW 22 22518 767-233 11/ 9/82 Air Canada C-GAUE 23 22309 767-223 11/16/82 American N303AA 24 22692 767-277 5/ 4/83 Ansett VH-RMD 25 22310 767-223 1/18/83 American N304AA 26 22216 767-232 11/24/82 Delta N104DA 27 22217 767-232 12/17/82 Delta N105DA 28 22693 767-277 5/20/83 Ansett VH-RME 29 22566 767-231 12/14/82 TWA N603TW 30 22567 767-231 1/28/83 TWA N604TW 31 22218 767-232 11/10/82 Delta N106DA I know United's are two-man and would bet the same for American, Delta, and TWA. Probably Air Canada. That leaves China Airlines and Ansett. I suspect the latter as I recall hearing about some Australian airline having three-man 767s. Any Aussie friends know for sure? Do their later 767s have three-man crews as well? BTW, I believe all thirty-one of these are still with their original owners with the possibly exception of TWA's -- some TWA 767s were sold earlier this year though I'm not sure if they were the oldest or newest ones. -- Karl Swartz |INet kls@ditka.chicago.com 1-415/854-3409 |UUCP uunet!decwrl!ditka!kls |Snail 2144 Sand Hill Rd., Menlo Park CA 94025, USA Send sci.aeronautics.airliners submissions to airliners@chicago.com