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It is very difficult to write a good intro book for such language as Perl. Contrary to the popular opinion, the introductory O'Reilly books on Perl are no longer the best. For some reason O'Reilly attracts complexity junkers, who use complexity for the sake of complexity. There is actually no good introductory Perl book from O'Reilly. I really do no not recommend buying Learning Perl as your first book, or second or even third book (unless you buy it on company money with a half-don of others ;-).
Perl is huge language and the way to learn it for system administrator is to learn relevant subset. Some parts of the language like OO-related parts can and should be initially omitted from study. The same is probably true for modules. You need just to learn to use modules with CPAN, but on introductory level I would recommend initially skip all this complex mechanics. For small to medium scripts you can structure your program using Perl 4 libraries almost as well as with modules with minimal additional complexity. If you want separation of namespaces just use package statements and explicit naming (like in $html_functions::string_length )
Although the core of the language is very stable, Perl 5 is still a moving target and for non-introductory books the age of the book still matter. In general, I recommend Perl books that are less than five years old (the last edition of Programming Perl was printed in 2012, Intermediate Perl was printed in 2012, Effective Perl Programming in 2010) , but every rule has its own exceptions. Please note that CGI-related books not included in this section. They are covered elsewhere.
Books that are 5 or less years old are preferable, but there are exceptions to this rule... |
The exception are based on the fact that talented authors are very rare and the same author can produce books of very different quality. So good books by talented authors are twice as rare ;-). As such they have value despite their age.
In RHEL 6 version is 5.10 is used and that means that the book should cover new constructs introduced in this version ( "state" variables). Generally state variables is a valuable addition to the language and that makes this version of Perl somewhat better then previous versions (the major one were 5.8, 5.6 and 5.0). At the same time many Unixes still ship Perl 5.8 by default, so excessive hurry in switching to version 5.10 might hurt compatibility with older version of Unix/Linux.
Please note that a major revision of the language (version 6.0) is in works, but due to overcomplexity and errors in language design chances of displacing of the version 5 are pretty slim. Recent version 5.10 incorporates some ideas from version 6 into version 5 framework. I think that version 6 is at least another decade from implementation; that means that buying Perk 5.8 or Perl 5.10 book is a pretty safe bet.
You need a good development environment in order to program in Perl and first of all you need
"Perl aware" editor. See
Absence of good
development environment
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Beware all second editions of Perl books from O'Reilly ;-). Paradoxically most of them are disappointing (BTW Learning Perl is more than disappointing -- it's simply weak and only the first edition has, mostly historical now, value). A reader can save money by getting other better books instead. There is several books that are better as an introductory books
...a great section on data-structures like arrays-of-arrays, and hash or hashes, etc... that are essential if you want to do intermediate or above Perl programming.
...Some great new appendixes for Perl "grammar and structure" that weren't in the first edition. Basically a concise reference for semantics that would benefit anybody.
...A much improved index that was practically non-existent in the first edition.
...All in all, I would say the second edition would be a good edition to learning and even improving your Perl skills since it is a huge tome of Perl information that can be both used as a reference and as a tutorial.
If you know some HTML and want to learn Perl mainly for use with the Web then you probably will be better off with a CGI book like CGI Programming 101 (see also cgi101.com ; the first six chapters of CGI Programming 101 are available free on this site), or, for those who like illustrated books, Perl and CGI for the World Wide Web Visual QuickStart Guide, Second Edition Perl has a very good library called LWP
The books that have e-text freely available or at least have it on accompanying CD have a better value and you can put with some minor shortcomings due to the advantages of having full e-text (for example that value of index is less important -- one can search e-text instead). Old David Till's book (see below open books ) was a good introductory book that used to be freely available from the http://www.informit.com/ -- Macmillan online library and might still be found somewhere on the Internet...
Although the quality is very uneven and the CD lucks any good intro book, older, cheaper versions of Perl CD Bookshelf from O'Reilly might be an interesting alternative to buying printed version of Cookbook from O'Reilly as it is a reference. It's more convenient to have it in HTML than in a printed edition...
There are also some underestimated books on Perl. Personally I like Perl Programming Companion by Nigel Chapman. This is not very popular book among Amazon.com readers, but I think that here (like in some other cases) they are wrong ;-). "Lemming effect" quite pronounced in reviews of Learning Perl on Win32 and several other horrible but highly praised by conformists O'Reilly books. Bias probably is present here too but with a negative sign. Programmers with experience in any other language can definitely benefit from this nice book.
Please note that old, but still available on the Web Camel Critiques -- Tom Christiansen's reviews of Perl book are biased and from my point of view reviews are unfair to non-O'Reilly authors. Please take them with a grain of salt -- even with disclaimer that he has a vested interest in promoting O'Reilly books. Here is my (slightly skeptical ;-) opinion about on one of books that was highly praised by Tom Christiansen in Camel Critiques -- Learning Perl on Win32. In short this was junk book.
Amazon.com readers reviews can provide you with a balanced opinion if you can understand that extremes meet, pay attention to whether people reviewed other books or this is their first review and whether they bought the book from Amazon or not. Also some people trash books just to prove themselves -- for the same reason as other people overpraise mediocre books. I recommend discarding way too positive ("brilliant") and way too negative opinions unless a reviewer provides facts that substantiate his/her point of view. Also useful is checking the reviewer other reviews. Cheap trick with asking friends of the author to write glowing reviews is easily detected this way.
And last but not least -- please question my own reviews too. My background and priorities can be different from yours and I learned Perl after several other languages. That means that books that are optimal for me can be sub-optimal for you. Even i as teacher I am biased toward books that reflect my own, Spartan preferences. For example I do I think that for Unix system administrators Perl 4 subset of Perl 5 is pretty adequate. Moreover I can confess that my opinion about books is changing with time and with the level of success of the class when I use them in teaching Perl courses. Sometimes substantially.
P.S. Here I would like to reproduce One Minute Perl Book Reviews -- pretty entertaining and educating test for Perl books ;-). If a large number of elements in array test fail that the book is really highly suspect. I am not sure about the value of positive results (actually most of elements discussed in the test are probably absent in any introductory book). For the actual marks of a number of book including Medinets' book see the paper.
"Its not about the acid in the paper, its about the Crack in the author."
Seems like everyone is writing a Perl book. The most disturbing part is that they're being written by people who have nothing to do with Perl. How to decide what's crap and what's not?
Worry no more! After many mirth-filled hours of flipping through many an awful Perl book, I have come up with a simple one-minute litmus test to determine if the book you're holding is worth the tree its printed on.
Historical Note: This page was written back in 1999 when the flood of Perl books hit the market.
The Perl Book Litmus Test
Remember, the point of this test is to find bad books and there can only be negative results with this test. A book which passes all the tests put forth here CAN STILL SUCK.
The following tests check the five things books and beginning Perl programmers most commonly screw up. Its by no means intended to be canonical, just a quick way to look for read flags. So flip to the index. Look up the following tidbits and answer the questions.
- localtime Due to localtime's ahem "vintage" interface, date generation is usually botched in Perl. Its important that a book has a good discussion of localtime and its caveats. Does it [explicitly] state that it returns the number of years since 1900? Does it mention that when used in scalar context it returns a nicely formatted date? Does it avoid things like `date`?
- open || die $! "Why doesn't $line = <FILE> work?" is one of the most common newbie questions. Its extremely important that a book drills it into the reader's head that all system calls should be checked and proper error messages returned. This means putting some sort of error checking on all system calls (not just open()), using and discussing $! and other good error messages.
- srand Not a common problem, but something often gotten wrong. If a book does drag out srand(), it often fails to point out that it should be called only once. (If srand is never mentioned, that's okay.)
- array size Does it clearly say that an array will return its number of elements in scalar context, or does it use/imply
$num = $#array + 1;
- flock Any CGI program writing to a file is going to run into file corruption issues pretty fast. If the book covers topics which will lead to concurrent file access, it should talk about flock(). Does it discuss and use flock instead of lockfiles? (ie. setting some .lock file instead of using flock()).
- Portable Constants When performing flocking, socket operations or sysopens does it use the constants defined by Perl (LOCK_SH and friends), or do they define their own unportable constants? If the subject never comes up that's ok.
Perl Bookshelf exists in 4 editions. They do not contain identical set of books so it make sense to buy several (they are really cheap now). See details in description below. The last one is probably the best is you want to buy just one.
Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov
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References are used frequently and extensively in Perl code. They're very important for a Perl web developer to understand, as the syntax of element access changes depending on whether you have a reference or direct access.
Q: In Perl, how do you initialize the following?
an array
an array reference
A hash
A hash reference
Furthermore, how would you change an array to an array reference, a hash to a hash reference, and vice versa? How do you access elements from within these variables?
A: The use of hash and array references is a pretty basic concept for any experienced Perl developer, but it may syntactically trip up some newer Perl developers or developers who never really grasped the underlying basics.Initializing an Array:my @arr = (0, 1, 2);An array is initialized with an
@
symbol prefixed to the variable name, which denotes the variable type as an array; its elements are placed in parentheses.Initializing an Array Reference:my $arr_ref = [0, 1, 2];With an array reference, you use the
$
symbol, which denotes 'scalar', and the elements are placed in square brackets. The reference isn't specified as an array, just as a scalar, so you have to be careful to handle the variable type appropriately.With hashes, the syntax is similar.
Initializing a Hash:my %hash = (0 => 'First', 1 => 'Second', 2 => 'Third');Just as with an array, the elements of a hash are defined with parentheses, but since the variable is a hash, it's prefixed with a
%
.Initializing an Array Reference:my $hash_ref = {0 => 'First', 1 => 'Second', 2 => 'Third'};Like an array reference, a hash reference variable is prefixed with a
$
, but the elements are placed in curly braces.Referencing a Hash or an ArrayReferencing an array or hash is pretty straightforward. In Perl, a backslash in front of a variable will return the reference to it. You should expect something like the following:
my $arr_ref = \@arr; my $hash_ref = \%hash;DereferencingDereferencing a referenced variable is as easy as reassigning it with the appropriate variable identifier. For example, here's how you would dereference arrays and hashes:
my @arr = @$arr_ref; my %hash = %$hash_ref;Accessing ElementsThe differences between accessing elements of these variable types and their reference versions is another area where amateur developers may get tripped up.
# to access an element of an array my $element = $arr[0];Notice that for an array you are not using the
@
prefix but rather the$
to denote a scalar, which is the type returned when accessing any element of an array. Accessing the elements of an array reference, a hash, and a hash reference follows a similar syntax:# to access an element of an array reference my $element = ${$array_ref}[0]; # to access an element of a hash my $element = $hash{0}; # to access an element of a hash reference my $element = $hash_ref->{0};
Sep 12, 2020 | perlmonks.org
likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 20:41 UTC
Re^2: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 20:41 UTC Reputation: -11Why would this be highly desirable? Consider: print( "Hello World" ) if( 1 ); [download] versusI do not understand your train of thought. In the first example end of the line occurred when all brackets are balanced, so it will will be interpretered as print( "Hello World" ); if( 1 ); [download]print( "Hello World" ) if( 1 < 2 ) { print("Goodbye"); };So this is a syntactically incorrect example, as it should be. The second example will be interpreted as
print( "Hello World" ); if( 1 < 2 ) { print("Goodbye"); };Anonymous Monk on Sep 10, 2020 at 20:51 UTC
Re^3: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by Anonymous Monk on Sep 10, 2020 at 20:51 UTC So this is a syntactically incorrect example, as it should be.wrong. print "Hello World" if 1; is valid Perl
likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 21:28 UTC
Re^4: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 21:28 UTCThat supports another critique of the same proposal -- it might break old Perl 5 scripts and should be implemented only as optional pragma. Useful only for programmers who experience this problem.
Because even the fact that this error is universal and occurs to all programmers is disputed here.
dsheroh on Sep 11, 2020 at 08:11 UTC
Re^5: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dsheroh on Sep 11, 2020 at 08:11 UTCjohngg on Sep 12, 2020 at 13:46 UTC
Re^5: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by johngg on Sep 12, 2020 at 13:46 UTCif we assume that somebody uses this formatting to suffix conditionalsI do, pretty much all the time! The ability to span a statement over multiple lines without jumping through backslash hoops is one of the things that makes Perl so attractive. I also think it makes code much easier to read rather than having excessively long lines that involve either horizontal scrolling or line wrapping. As to your comment regarding excessive length identifiers, I come from a Fortran IV background where we had a maximum of 8 characters for identifiers (ICL 1900 Fortran compiler) so I'm all for long, descriptive and unambiguous identifiers that aid those who come after in understanding my code.
Cheers,JohnGG
likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 15:38 UTC
Re^2: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 15:38 UTC Reputation: -14Because people have a natural tendency to omit them at the end of the line. That's why.
This is an interesting psychological phenomenon that does not depend on your level of mastery of the language and is not limited to novices.
dave_the_m on Sep 10, 2020 at 18:09 UTC
Re^3: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dave_the_m on Sep 10, 2020 at 18:09 UTCDave.
likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 20:56 UTC
Re^4: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 10, 2020 at 20:56 UTCCan you please tell us how many times you corrected the missing semicolon error in your scripts during the last week?
dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 10:37 UTC
Re^5: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 10:37 UTC $a = $b + $c + $d + $e; [download] If not, what are the exact criteria for things on the next line to trigger or not a semicolon?Dave.
likbez on Sep 11, 2020 at 14:20 UTC
Re^6: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 11, 2020 at 14:20 UTCIn the following, the first line has a balance of brackets and looks syntactically correct. Would you expect the lexer to add a semicolon?Yes, and the user will get an error. This is similar to previous example with trailing on a new line "if (1);" suffix. The first question is why he/she wants to format the code this way if he/she suffers from this problem, wants to avoid missing semicolon error and, supposedly enabled pragma "softsemicolons" for that?$a = $b + $c + $d + $e;This is the case where the user need to use #\ to inform the scanner about his choice. But you are right in a sense that it creates a new type of errors -- "missing continuation." And that there is no free lunch. This approach requires specific discipline to formatting your code.
dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 14:52 UTC
Re^7: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 14:52 UTCThe reason I gave that code as an example is that it's a perfectly normal way of spreading complex expressions over multiple lines: e.g. where you need to add several variables together and the variables have non-trivial (i.e. long) names, e.g.
$pressure = $partial_pressure_nitrogen + $partial_pressure_oxygen + $partial_pressure_water_vapour + $partial_pressure_argon + $partial_pressure_carbon_dioxide;[download] In this case, the automatic semicolons are unhelpful and will give rise to confusing error messages. So you've just switched one problem for another, and raised the cognitive load - people now need to know about your pragma and also know when its in scope.Dave.
likbez on Sep 11, 2020 at 16:51 UTC
Re^8: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 11, 2020 at 16:51 UTCYes it discourages certain formatting style. So what ? If you can't live without such formatting (many can) do not use this pragma. BTW you can always use extra parentheses, which will be eliminated by the parser as in
$pressure = ( $partial_pressure_nitrogen + $partial_pressure_oxygen + $partial_pressure_water_vapour + $partial_pressure_argon + $partial_pressure_carbon_dioxide );dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 17:05 UTC
Re^9: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 17:05 UTC* How exactly does the lexer/parser know when it should insert a soft semicolon?
* How exactly does it give a meaningful error message when it inserts one where the user didn't intend for there to be one?
My problem with your proposal is that it seems to require the parser to apply some complex heuristics to determine when to insert and when to complain meaningfully. It is not obvious to me what these heuristics should be. My suspicion is that such an implementation will just add to perl's already colourful collection of edge cases, and just confuse both beginner and expert alike.
Bear in mind that I am one of just a handful of people who actively work on perl's lexer and parser, so I have a good understanding of how it works, and am painfully aware of its many complexities. (And its quite likely that I would end up being the one implementing this.)
Dave.
likbez on Sep 11, 2020 at 18:51 UTC
Re^10: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 11, 2020 at 18:51 UTCThe lexical analyzer is Perl is quite sophisticated due to lexical complexity of the language. So I think it already counts past lexems and thus can determine the balance of "()", '[]' and "{}"
So you probably can initially experiment with the following scheme
If all the following conditions are true
- You reached the EOL
- Pragma "softsemicolon" is on
- The balance is zero
- The next symbol via look-ahead buffer is not one of the set "{", "}", ';', and ".", -- no Perl statement can start with the dot. Probably this set can be extended with "&&", '||', and "!". Also the last ',' on the current line, and some other symbols clearly pointing toward extension of the statement on the next line should block this insertion.
the lexical analyzer needs to insert lexem "semicolon" in the stream of lexem passed to syntax analyzer.
The warning issued should be something like:
"Attempt to correct missing semicolon was attempted. If this is incorrect please use extra parenthesis or disable pragma "softsemicolon" for this fragment."From what I read, Perl syntax analyser relies on lexical analyser in some unorthodox way, so it might be possible to use "clues" from syntax analyser for improving this scheme. See, for example, the scheme proposed for recursive descent parsers in:Follow set error recovery C Stirling - Software: Practice and Experience, 1985 - Wiley Online Library Some accounts of the recovery scheme mention and make use of non-systematic changes to their recursive descent parsers in order to improve In the former he anticipates the possibility of a missing semicolon whereas in the latter he does not anticipate a missing commadave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 22:02 UTC
Re^11: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dave_the_m on Sep 11, 2020 at 22:02 UTCSo I think it already counts past lexems and thus can determine the balance of "()", '[]' and "{}"It can't currently.If all the following conditions are trueAll of the following satisfy your criteria, are valid and normal perl code, and would get a semicolon incorrectly inserted based on your criteria:use softsemicolon; $x = $a + $b; $x = 1 if $condition; $x = 1 unless $condition1 && $condition2;[download]The warning issued should be something likeI didn't ask what the text of the warning should be, I asked how the parser can determine when the warning should be issued.the scheme proposed for recursive descent parsersBut perl uses an LR(1) parser, not a recursive descent parser.Dave.
likbez on Sep 12, 2020 at 02:06 UTC
Re^12: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 12, 2020 at 02:06 UTCAll of the following satisfy your criteria, are valid and normal Perl code, and would get a semicolon incorrectly inserted based on your criteria:Yes in cases 1 and 2; it depends on depth of look-ahead in case 3. Yes if it is one symbol. No it it is two(no Perl statement can start with && )use softsemicolon; $x = $a + $b; $x = 1 if $condition; $x = 1 unless $condition1 && $condition2;As for "valid and normal" your millage may vary. For people who would want to use this pragma it is definitely not "valid and normal". Both 1 and 2 looks to me like frivolities without any useful meaning or justification. Moreover, case 1 can be rewritten as:
$x =($a + $b);[download] The case 3 actually happens in Perl most often with regular if and here opening bracket is obligatory:if ( ( $tokenstr=~/a\[s\]/ || $tokenstr =~/h\[s\]/ ) && ( $tokenstr... ) ){ .... } [download] Also Python-inspired fascination with eliminating all brackets does not do here any good$a=$b=1; $x=1 if $a==1 && $b=2;[download] should generally be written$a=$b=1; $x=1 if( $a==1 && $b=2);[download]I was surprised that the case without brackets was accepted by the syntax analyser. Because how would you interpret $x=1 if $a{$b}; without brackets is unclear to me. It has dual meaning: should be a syntax error in one case
$x=1 if $a{ $b };[download] and the test for an element of hash $a in another.dave_the_m on Sep 12, 2020 at 06:52 UTC
Re^13: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by dave_the_m on Sep 12, 2020 at 06:52 UTCBoth 1 and 2 looks to me like frivolities without any useful meaning or justificationYou and I have vastly differing perceptions of what constitutes normal perl code. For example there are over 700 examples of the 'postfix if on next line' pattern in the .pm files distributed with the perl core.There doesn't really seem any point in discussing this further. You have failed to convince me, and I am very unlikely to work on this myself or accept such a patch into core.
Dave.
likbez on Sep 12, 2020 at 19:53 UTC
Re^14: What esteemed monks think about changes necessary/desirable in Perl 7 outside of OO staff
by likbez on Sep 12, 2020 at 19:53 UTCYou and I have vastly differing perceptions of what constitutes normal perl code. For example there are over 700 examples of the 'postfix if on next line' pattern in the .pm files distributed with the perl core.Probably yes. I am an adherent of "defensive programming" who is against over-complexity as well as arbitrary formatting (pretty printer is preferable to me to manual formatting of code). Which in this audience unfortunately means that I am a minority.BTW your idea that this pragma (which should be optional) matters for Perl standard library has no connection to reality.
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Joe Venetos , history, European Union and politics, int'l relations Answered Aug 22 2017 · Author has 485 answers and 325k answer views
Neither.
The USSR as it was was not sustainable, and the writing was all over the wall.
The reason it wasn't sustainable, however, is widely misunderstood.
The Soviet Union could have switched to a market or hybrid economy and still remained a unified state. However, it was made up of 15 very different essentially nation-states from Estonia to Uzbekistan, and separatist movements were tearing the Union apart.
Unlike other multi-national European empires that met their day earlier in the 20th century, such as the British, French, Portuguese, Austro-Hungarian, or Ottoman Empires, the Russian Empi...
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The USSR as it was was not sustainable, and the writing was all over the wall.
The reason it wasn't sustainable, however, is widely misunderstood.
The Soviet Union could have switched to a market or hybrid economy and still remained a unified state. However, it was made up of 15 very different essentially nation-states from Estonia to Uzbekistan, and separatist movements were tearing the Union apart.
Unlike other multi-national European empires that met their day earlier in the 20th century, such as the British, French, Portuguese, Austro-Hungarian, or Ottoman Empires, the Russian Empire never had the chance to disband; the can was simply kicked down the road by the Bolshevik revolution and the Soviet era. Restrictions on free speech and press, followed by a gradual economic downturn that began in the 1970s, brewed anti-Union and separatist sentiments among sizeable sections of society. It's important to note, however, that not everyone wanted the disband the USSR, and not everyone in the Russian republic wanted to keep it together (the Central Asian states were the most reluctant to secede). There was, actually, a referendum on whether or not to keep the Union together, and a slight majority voted in favor (something Gorbachev points out to this day), but the vote was also boycotted by quite a few people, especially in the Baltic republics. So, we know that the citizens had mixed feelings and the reasons for the USSR's end were far more complex than just "communism failed".
By the summer of 1991, there was nothing Gorbachev could do. The hardliners saw him as incompetent to save the Union, but too many citizens and military personnel had defected to the politicians of the constituent republics (rather than the Union's leadership), including Russia itself, that were increasingly pursuing their independence since the first multiparty elections across the Union in 1989. By December 1991, Union-level political bodies agreed to disband. So, Gorbachev had no choice but to admit that the USSR no longer existed.
Gorbachev could have ruled with an iron fist, and he could have done so from the 1985 without ever implementing glasnost and perestroika, but that could have been a disaster. We don't really know, actually, but in my opinion, an oligarchy -which is what the USSR was in its later years, not an authoritarian state like it was under Stalin- still needs some level of public consent to continue governing, like China (which is also a diverse society, but far more homogenous than the USSR was). If you have all this economic and separatist malaise brewing, it's not going to work out.
In the long run, Russia is much better off. They now have a state where ethnic Russians make up 80% of the population (a good balance), from what was, I think 50% in the USSR.
While some Russians regret that the USSR ended, others don't care or were ready to call themselves "Russian" rather than "Soviet". It's no different to French public opinion turning against the Algerian war in the 1960s and supporting Algerian independence, or British public opinion starting to support the independence of India yet some people from those countries, may look back fondly. Also, Russia went through a tough economic period in the 1990s, which strengthened Soviet nostalgia, understandably, thinking back to a time when the state guaranteed everyone with housing and a job. While some sentiments still exist today in the Russian Federation that may appear pro-Soviet, it's important to point out that that doesn't necessarily mean these folks would like to recreate the Soviet Union as it was . Many just simply miss the heaftier influence the USSR had, versus what they perceive to be weakness or disrespect for Russia today. The communist party today gets few votes in Russian elections; and many Russians now were not adults prior to 1991, and thus don't quite remember the era too well; many others may be old enough to remember the economic downturn of the 80s, and not the economic good times of the 60s.
One final point, regarding Gorbachev being a "stooge of the West": that gives far too much credit to America under Reagan for taking down the USSR. The "West" had nothing to do with it. In the longer run, as we may be seeing slowly unravel since the Bush Jr administration, America pretty much screwed itself with the massive military spending that started in the 80s and continues upward, with supporting the mujahedeen to lure the USSR into Afghanistan in 1979 (a war that lasted until 1989), with opposing any secular regime in the Middle East friendly to Moscow in the 70s and 80s, and so on we all know how these events started playing out for the US much later, from 9/11 to the current Trump mess.
Nov 21, 2019 | perlmonks.org
LanX (Archbishop) on Nov 20, 2019 at 15:59 UTC
Re: Replaying debugger commands from historySure!
Have a look at the docs in perldebug#Debugger-Customization concerning
@DB::typeahead
like
sub afterinit { push @DB::typeahead, "b 4", "b 6"; }
IIRC it should be either settable
- in .perldb
- or in the -e'' command line option at startup
- (update) or even inside your debugged code inside BEGIN
Nov 21, 2019 | perlmonks.org
This code was written as a solution to the problem posed in Search for identical substrings . As best I can tell it runs about 3 million times faster than the original code.
The code reads a series of strings and searches them for the longest substring between any pair of strings. In the original problem there were 300 strings about 3K long each. A test set comprising 6 strings was used to test the code with the result given below.
Someone with Perl module creation and publication experience could wrap this up and publish it if they wish.
use strict; use warnings; use Time::HiRes; use List::Util qw(min max); my $allLCS = 1; my $subStrSize = 8; # Determines minimum match length. Should be a power of 2 # and less than half the minimum interesting match length. The larger this value # the faster the search runs. if (@ARGV != 1) { print "Finds longest matching substring between any pair of test strings\n"; print "the given file. Pairs of lines are expected with the first of a\n"; print "pair being the string name and the second the test string."; exit (1); } # Read in the strings my @strings; while () { chomp; my $strName = $_; $_ = ; chomp; push @strings, [$strName, $_]; } my $lastStr = @strings - 1; my @bestMatches = [(0, 0, 0, 0, 0)]; # Best match details my $longest = 0; # Best match length so far (unexpanded) my $startTime = [Time::HiRes::gettimeofday ()]; # Do the search for (0..$lastStr) { my $curStr = $_; my @subStrs; my $source = $strings[$curStr][1]; my $sourceName = $strings[$curStr][0]; for (my $i = 0; $i 0; push @localBests, [@test] if $dm >= 0; $offset = $test[3] + $test[4]; next if $test[4] 0; push @bestMatches, [@test]; } continue {++$offset;} } next if ! $allLCS; if (! @localBests) { print "Didn't find LCS for $sourceName and $targetName\n"; next; } for (@localBests) { my @curr = @$_; printf "%03d:%03d L[%4d] (%4d %4d)\n", $curr[0], $curr[1], $curr[4], $curr[2], $curr[3]; } } } print "Completed in " . Time::HiRes::tv_interval ($startTime) . "\n"; for (@bestMatches) { my @curr = @$_; printf "Best match: %s - %s. %d characters starting at %d and %d.\n", $strings[$curr[0]][0], $strings[$curr[1]][0], $curr[4], $curr[2], $curr[3]; } sub expandMatch { my ($index1, $index2, $str1Start, $str2Start, $matchLen) = @_; my $maxMatch = max (0, min ($str1Start, $subStrSize + 10, $str2Start)); my $matchStr1 = substr ($strings[$index1][1], $str1Start - $maxMatch, $maxMatch); my $matchStr2 = substr ($strings[$index2][1], $str2Start - $maxMatch, $maxMatch); ($matchStr1 ^ $matchStr2) =~ /\0*$/; my $adj = $+[0] - $-[0]; $matchLen += $adj; $str1Start -= $adj; $str2Start -= $adj; return ($index1, $index2, $str1Start, $str2Start, $matchLen); }Output using bioMan 's six string sample:
Completed in 0.010486 Best match: >string 1 - >string 3 . 1271 characters starting at 82 an + d 82. [download]
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Joshua Day , Currently developing reporting and testing tools for linux Updated Apr 26 · Author has 83 answers and 71k answer views
There are several reasons and ill try to name a few.
- Perl syntax and semantics closely resembles shell languages that are part of core Unix systems like sed, awk, and bash. Of these languages at least bash knowledge is required to administer a Unix system anyway.
- Perl was designed to replace or improve the shell languages in Unix/linux by combining all their best features into a single language whereby an administrator can write a complex script with a single language instead of 3 languages. It was essentially designed for Unix/linux system administration.
- Perl regular expressions (text manipulation) were modeled off of sed and then drastically improved upon to the extent that subsequent languages like python have borrowed the syntax because of just how powerful it is. This is infinitely powerful on a unix system because the entire OS is controlled using textual data and files. No other language ever devised has implemented regular expressions as gracefully as perl and that includes the beloved python. Only in perl is regex integrated with such natural syntax.
- Perl typically comes preinstalled on Unix and linux systems and is practically considered part of the collection of softwares that define such a system.
- Thousands of apps written for Unix and linux utilize the unique properties of this language to accomplish any number of tasks. A Unix/linux sysadmin must be somewhat familiar with perl to be effective at all. To remove the language would take considerable effort for most systems to the extent that it's not practical.. Therefore with regard to this environment Perl will remain for years to come.
- Perl's module archive called CPAN already contains a massive quantity of modules geared directly for unix systems. If you use Perl for your administration tasks you can capitalize on these modules. These are not newly written and untested modules. These libraries have been controlling Unix systems for 20 years reliably and the pinnacle of stability in Unix systems running across the world.
- Perl is particularly good at glueing other software together. It can take the output of one application and manipulate it into a format that is easily consumable by another, mostly due to its simplistic text manipulation syntax. This has made Perl the number 1 glue language in the world. There are millions of softwares around the world that are talking to each other even though they were not designed to do so. This is in large part because of Perl. This particular niche will probably decline as standardization of interchange formats and APIs improves but it will never go away.
I hope this helps you understand why perl is so prominent for Unix administrators. These features may not seem so obviously valuable on windows systems and the like. However on Unix systems this language comes alive like no other.
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Daniel Korenblum , works at Bayes Impact Updated May 25, 2015 There are many reasons why non-OOP languages and paradigms/practices are on the rise, contributing to the relative decline of OOP.
First off, there are a few things about OOP that many people don't like, which makes them interested in learning and using other approaches. Below are some references from the OOP wiki article:
taken from:
- Cardelli, Luca (1996). "Bad Engineering Properties of Object-Oriented Languages". ACM Comput. Surv. (ACM) 28 (4es): 150. doi:10.1145/242224.242415. ISSN 0360-0300. Retrieved 21 April 2010.
- Armstrong, Joe. In Coders at Work: Reflections on the Craft of Programming. Peter Seibel, ed. Codersatwork.com , Accessed 13 November 2009.
- Stepanov, Alexander. "STLport: An Interview with A. Stepanov". Retrieved 21 April 2010.
- Rich Hickey, JVM Languages Summit 2009 keynote, Are We There Yet? November 2009. (edited)
Also see this post and discussion on hackernews:
Object Oriented Programming is an expensive disaster which must end
One of the comments therein linked a few other good wikipedia articles which also provide relevant discussion on increasingly-popular alternatives to OOP:
- Modularity and design-by-contract are better implemented by module systems ( Standard ML )
- Encapsulation is better served by lexical scope ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sco... )
- Data is better modelled by algebraic datatypes ( Algebraic data type )
- Type-checking is better performed structurally ( Structural type system )
- Polymorphism is better handled by first-class functions ( First-class function ) and parametricity ( Parametric polymorphism )
Personally, I sometimes think that OOP is a bit like an antique car. Sure, it has a bigger engine and fins and lots of chrome etc., it's fun to drive around, and it does look pretty. It is good for some applications, all kidding aside. The real question is not whether it's useful or not, but for how many projects?When I'm done building an OOP application, it's like a large and elaborate structure. Changing the way objects are connected and organized can be hard, and the design choices of the past tend to become "frozen" or locked in place for all future times. Is this the best choice for every application? Probably not.
If you want to drive 500-5000 miles a week in a car that you can fix yourself without special ordering any parts, it's probably better to go with a Honda or something more easily adaptable than an antique vehicle-with-fins.
Finally, the best example is the growth of JavaScript as a language (officially called EcmaScript now?). Although JavaScript/EcmaScript (JS/ES) is not a pure functional programming language, it is much more "functional" than "OOP" in its design. JS/ES was the first mainstream language to promote the use of functional programming concepts such as higher-order functions, currying, and monads.
The recent growth of the JS/ES open-source community has not only been impressive in its extent but also unexpected from the standpoint of many established programmers. This is partly evidenced by the overwhelming number of active repositories on Github using JavaScript/EcmaScript:
Top Github Languages of 2014 (So far)
Because JS/ES treats both functions and objects as structs/hashes, it encourages us to blur the line dividing them in our minds. This is a division that many other languages impose - "there are functions and there are objects/variables, and they are different".
This seemingly minor (and often confusing) design choice enables a lot of flexibility and power. In part this seemingly tiny detail has enabled JS/ES to achieve its meteoric growth between 2005-2015.
This partially explains the rise of JS/ES and the corresponding relative decline of OOP. OOP had become a "standard" or "fixed" way of doing things for a while, and there will probably always be a time and place for OOP. But as programmers we should avoid getting too stuck in one way of thinking / doing things, because different applications may require different approaches.
Above and beyond the OOP-vs-non-OOP debate, one of our main goals as engineers should be custom-tailoring our designs by skillfully choosing the most appropriate programming paradigm(s) for each distinct type of application, in order to maximize the "bang for the buck" that our software provides.
Although this is something most engineers can agree on, we still have a long way to go until we reach some sort of consensus about how best to teach and hone these skills. This is not only a challenge for us as programmers today, but also a huge opportunity for the next generation of educators to create better guidelines and best practices than the current OOP-centric pedagogical system.
Here are a couple of good books that elaborates on these ideas and techniques in more detail. They are free-to-read online:
Mike MacHenry , software engineer, improv comedian, maker Answered Feb 14, 2015 · Author has 286 answers and 513.7k answer views Because the phrase itself was over hyped to an extrodinary degree. Then as is common with over hyped things many other things took on that phrase as a name. Then people got confused and stopped calling what they are don't OOP.Yes I think OOP ( the phrase ) is on the decline because people are becoming more educated about the topic.
It's like, artificial intelligence, now that I think about it. There aren't many people these days that say they do AI to anyone but the laymen. They would say they do machine learning or natural language processing or something else. These are fields that the vastly over hyped and really nebulous term AI used to describe but then AI ( the term ) experienced a sharp decline while these very concrete fields continued to flourish.
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Joachim Pense , Perl is my language of choice Answered Nov 4, 2017 · Author has 6.1k answers and 7.1m answer viewsPerl bashing is popular sport among a particularly vocal crowd.
Perl is extremely flexible. Perl holds up TIMTOWTDI ( There Is More Than One Way To Do It ) as a virtue. Larry Wall's Twitter handle is @TimToady, for goodness sake!
That flexibility makes it extremely powerful. It also makes it extremely easy to write code that nobody else can understand. (Hence, Tim Toady Bicarbonate.)
You can pack a lot of punch in a one-liner in Perl:
- print $fo map { sprintf ( " .pword 0x%.6X\n" , $_ ) } unpack ( "n*" , $data );
That one-liner takes a block of raw data (in
$data
), expands it to an array of values, and th...It is still used, but its usage is declining. People use Python today in situations when they would have used Perl ten years ago.
The problem is that Perl is extremely pragmatic. It is designed to be “a language to get your job done”, and it does that well; however, that led to rejection by language formalists. However, Perl is very well designed, only it is well designed for professionals who grab in the dark expecting that at this place there should be a button to do the desired functionality, and indeed, there will be the button. It is much safer to use than for example C (the sharp knife that was delivered without a handle), but it is easy to produce quite messy code with it if you are a newbie who doesn’t understand/feel the principles of Perl. In the 90s and 2000s, it was the goto web language, so the web was full of terrible programs written by those newbies, and that led to the bad reputation.
Strangely enough, PHP, which is frowned upon a lot by Perl programmers, won the favour of the noobs, but never got the general bad reputation; in fact it is missing the design principles I mentioned, that language is just a product of adhockery.
But today, Perl went back to its status as a niche language, and you cannot mention it in presence of a lady, so to speak. Its support is slowly waning; I’d suggest to learn Python, but don’t force me to learn it as well.
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Gary Puckering , Fluent in C#, Python, and perl; rusty in C/C++ and too many others to count Answered Apr 25, 2018 · Author has 1.1k answers and 2.5m answer viewsYou should learn things that make your life easier or better. I am not an excellent Perl user, but it is usually my go-to scripting language for important projects. The syntax is difficult, and it's very easy to forget how to use it when you take significant time away from it.
That being said, I love how regular expressions work in Perl. I can use sed like commands $myvar =~ s/old/new/g for string replacement when processing or filtering strings. It's much nicer than other languages imo.
I also like Perls foreach loops and its data structures.
I tried writing a program of moderate length in Python and it just seemed to be taking up too much space. I stopped part way though and switched to Perl. I got the whole thing completed in much less space (lines), and seemed to have an easier time doing it.
I am not a super fanboy, but it has just always worked for me in the past, and I can't outright discount it because of that.
Also, look up CPAN modules. The installation of those for me on GNU is a breeze.
My last scripting project I did in Python and it went very well. I will probably shift to Python more in the future, because I would like to build a stronger basis of knowledge with the modules and basics of Python so that I can hop into it and create some powerful stuff when needed. Ie I want to focus on 1–3 languages, and learn them to a higher level instead of being "just ok" with 5–7.
Why is Perl so hated and not commonly used?
I think there are several reasons why Perl has a lot of detractors
- Sigils . A lot of programmers seem to hate the $@% sigils! If you are coming from a strongly typed language like C/C++, and also hate things like Hungarian notation, you won’t like sigils.
- One liners. As others have commented, writing dense and even obfuscated code rose to the level of sport within the Perl community. The same thing happened, years earlier, in the APL community. Programmers and managers saw that you could write unmaintainable code, and that helped instill a fear that it was unavoidable and that perhaps the language was flawed because it didn’t discourage the practice.
- Auto-magic . The programming language PL/I, which attempted to combine the best of COBOL and FORTRAN, went absolutely crazy with default behaviors. I remember reading an article in the 1970’s where programming in PL/I was described as being like flying a Boeing 747. The cockpit is filled with hundreds of buttons, knobs, switches and levers. The autopilot does most of the work, but trying to figure out the interaction between it and things you manually set can be bewildering. Perl, to some extent, suffers from the same problem. In Perl 5, without enabling warnings and strict, variables spring into life simply by naming them. A typo can instantiate and entirely new variable. Hashes get new keys simply by an attempt to access a key. You can increment a scalar that contains a string and it’ll try to generate a sequence using the string as a pattern (e.g. a, b, c … z, aa, ab …). If you come from a language where you control everything, all this auto-magic stuff can really bite you in the ass.
- An odd object-oriented syntax. Until Moose (and now Moo and Mouse) came along, writing classes in Perl meant using keywords like package and bless, as well as rolling all your own accessor methods. If you come from C++, Java , Python or just about any other language supporting OO your first question is going to be: where’s the friggin’ class statement!
- Dynamic typing . Some people like it. Some hate it. There are modules that let you add typing I’d you wish, though it’ll only be enforced at run time.
- No subroutine signatures . Although Perl 5 now supports subroutine signatures, they are still considered “experimental”. This is a turn-off for most programmers who are used to them. Per Damien Conway’s recommendations, I always unpack all the arguments from @_in the first line of a subroutine, which ends up looking just like a subroutine signature. (I almost never use shift for this purpose.)
- Lots of magic symbols . Although you can use English names, and should do so for more maintainable code, many Perl programmers stick to using special names like $_, $’, $; etc. This makes Perl code look very cryptic, and increases your cognitive load when working with the language. It’s a lot to remember. But if you use the English names, you can largely avoid this issue.
- Perl 6 is a discontinuous evolution . Although Perl 5 continues to evolve, and some of the advances that have been put in Perl 6 have been added to Perl 5, the lack of,upward compatibility between 5 and 6 creates uncertainly about its future.
And why should I learn it?
Despite the above, you can write maintainable code in Perl by following Damian Comways’s Perl Best Practices. The utility perlcritic can be used to help train yourself to write better Perl code.
Perl is multi-paradigm. In execution, it’s faster than Python. It has a superb ecosystem in cpan , where you can find a module to help you solve almost every imaginable problem. For command line utilities, file system administration, database administration, data extraction-transformation-loading tasks, batch processes, connecting disparate systems, and quick and dirty scripts, it’s often the best tool for the job.
I frequently use Perl in connection with Excel. You can do a lot in Excel, and it provides a great interactive UI. But complex formulas can be a pain to get right, and it can be tedious to write code in VBA. Often, I find it much quicker to just copy cells to the clipboard, switch to a command shell, run a Perl script over the data, sending the results to the clipboard, switch back to Excel, and then paste the results in situ or in a new location.
Perl is also deep. It does a good job of supporting imperative programming, OOP, and functional programming. For more on the latter, see the book Higher-Order Perl .
Perl is powerful. Perl is fast. Perl is an effective tool to have in your toolkit. Those are all good reasons to learn it.
Reed White , former Engineer at Hewlett-Packard (1978-2000) Answered Nov 7, 2017 · Author has 2.3k answers and 380.8k answer views
Yes, Perl takes verbal abuse; but in truth, it is an extremely powerful, reliable language. In my opinion, one of its outstanding characteristics is that you don't need much knowledge before you can write useful programs. As time goes by, you gradually learn the real power of the language.
However, because Perl-bashing is popular, you might better put your efforts into learning Python, which is also quite capable.
Richard Conto , Programmer in multiple languages. Debugger in even more Answered Dec 18, 2017 · Author has 5.9k answers and 4.3m answer views
Perl bashing is largely hear-say. People hear something and they say it. It doesn't require a great deal of thought.
As for Perl not commonly being used - that's BS. It may not be as common as the usual gang of languages, but there's an enormous amount of work done in Perl.
As for you you should learn Perl, it's for the same reason you would learn any other language - it helps you solve a particular problem better than another language available. And yes, that can be a very subjective decision to make.
Randal L. Schwartz , Literally "wrote the books" on it Answered Mar 3, 2018 · Author has 108 answers and 90.5k answer views
The truth is, that by any metric, more Perl is being done today than during the dot com boom. It's just a somewhat smaller piece of a much bigger pie. In fact, I've heard from some hiring managers that there's actually a shortage of Perl programmers, and not just for maintaining projects, but for new greenfield deploys.
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Christoph Neumann Answered Jun 6 2015
For web workflows check out QuantifiedCode . It's a data-driven code quality platform we've built to automate code reviews. It offers you static analysis as a service--for free.
Other tools out there are Pylint , PyFlakes , PyChecker , PEP8 , Frosted (a fork of PyFlakes) and Flake8 (a wrapper around PyFlakes and PEP8).
For more details, I compiled a tables that compares the most popular Python code analysis tools . 7.3k views � View 3 Upvoters Related Questions More Answers Below
Guillaume Bog , Python supertanker maintenance Answered Jul 9, 2012 Originally Answered: What is the best static analysis tool for Python?
- What are some static code analysis tools for Python, specifically to identify insecure coding practices?
- What are static analysis tools, and which are the best tools?
- What is the best IDE for Python?
- As a data scientist, do you use more R or Python or is it about the same?
- What are some pros and cons of using Python for data science?
I use pyflakes for code checking inside Vim and find it very useful. But still, pylint is better for pre-commit code checking. You should have two levels of code checking: errors that cannot be commited and warnings that are code-smells but can be commited. You can configure that and many other things with pylint.
Sometime you might think pylint is too picky: it may complain for something that you think is perfectly ok. Think twice about it. Very often, I found that the warning I found overly conservative some month ago was actually a very good advice.
So my answer is that pylint is reliable and robust, and I am not aware of a much better code analyzer.
pylint is very good for respecting PEP8
you can have pyflakes directly embedded in vim with this plugin:
http://www.vim.org/scripts/scrip...Alexa Alice Answered Jul 24, 2019 � Author has 278 answers and 53.4k answer views
Spending time in the static analysis will really(really) advantage you and your group as far as time spending on discovering bugs, as far as disclosing the code to extend newcomers, regarding undertaking costs and so on. On the off chance that you invest the energy doing it forthrightly, it might appear as though you're not chipping away at highlights but rather it will return to you later on you will profit by this sooner or later.
There are a couple of interesting points on our voyage for brilliant code. In the first place, this adventure isn't one of unadulterated objectivity. There are some solid sentiments of what top-notch code resembles.
While everybody can ideally concede to the identifiers referenced over, the manner in which they get accomplished is an emotional street. The most obstinate themes generally come up when you talk about accomplishing intelligibility, upkeep, and extensibility.
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Dave Wade-Stein , Senior Instructor at DevelopIntelligence (2015-present) Answered Apr 15, 2018 � Author has 995 answers and 2.1m answer views
And if you're using Python 3.6+, you can add typing hints to your code and run mypy , a static typechecker over your code. (Technically, mypy will work with Python 2 code as well, but given that typing hints weren't added to Python until 3.5, you have to put the typing hints in comments which is a bit cumbersome and hard to maintain.)
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What are the best tools for Python static analysis?
Christoph Neumann Answered Jun 6 2015
For web workflows check out QuantifiedCode . It's a data-driven code quality platform we've built to automate code reviews. It offers you static analysis as a service--for free.
Other tools out there are Pylint , PyFlakes , PyChecker , PEP8 , Frosted (a fork of PyFlakes) and Flake8 (a wrapper around PyFlakes and PEP8).
For more details, I compiled a tables that compares the most popular Python code analysis tools . 7.3k views � View 3 Upvoters Related Questions More Answers Below
Guillaume Bog , Python supertanker maintenance Answered Jul 9, 2012 Originally Answered: What is the best static analysis tool for Python?
- What are some static code analysis tools for Python, specifically to identify insecure coding practices?
- What are static analysis tools, and which are the best tools?
- What is the best IDE for Python?
- As a data scientist, do you use more R or Python or is it about the same?
- What are some pros and cons of using Python for data science?
I use pyflakes for code checking inside Vim and find it very useful. But still, pylint is better for pre-commit code checking. You should have two levels of code checking: errors that cannot be commited and warnings that are code-smells but can be commited. You can configure that and many other things with pylint.
Sometime you might think pylint is too picky: it may complain for something that you think is perfectly ok. Think twice about it. Very often, I found that the warning I found overly conservative some month ago was actually a very good advice.
So my answer is that pylint is reliable and robust, and I am not aware of a much better code analyzer.
pylint is very good for respecting PEP8
you can have pyflakes directly embedded in vim with this plugin:
http://www.vim.org/scripts/scrip...Alexa Alice Answered Jul 24, 2019 � Author has 278 answers and 53.4k answer views
Spending time in the static analysis will really(really) advantage you and your group as far as time spending on discovering bugs, as far as disclosing the code to extend newcomers, regarding undertaking costs and so on. On the off chance that you invest the energy doing it forthrightly, it might appear as though you're not chipping away at highlights but rather it will return to you later on you will profit by this sooner or later.
There are a couple of interesting points on our voyage for brilliant code. In the first place, this adventure isn't one of unadulterated objectivity. There are some solid sentiments of what top-notch code resembles.
While everybody can ideally concede to the identifiers referenced over, the manner in which they get accomplished is an emotional street. The most obstinate themes generally come up when you talk about accomplishing intelligibility, upkeep, and extensibility.
To know more details: Static Analysis 342 views Related Questions More Answers Below
- As a data scientist, do you use more R or Python or is it about the same?
- What are some pros and cons of using Python for data science?
- What are the tools available for R programming?
- What are some best tools to do static analysis of code in PHP?
- How do I learn static program analysis?
Dave Wade-Stein , Senior Instructor at DevelopIntelligence (2015-present) Answered Apr 15, 2018 � Author has 995 answers and 2.1m answer views
And if you're using Python 3.6+, you can add typing hints to your code and run mypy , a static typechecker over your code. (Technically, mypy will work with Python 2 code as well, but given that typing hints weren't added to Python until 3.5, you have to put the typing hints in comments which is a bit cumbersome and hard to maintain.)
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> ,May 2, 2011 at 18:58
Hey I've been using Linux for a while and thought it was time to finally dive into shell scripting.The problem is I've failed to find any significant advantage of using Bash over something like Perl or Python. Are there any performance or power differences between the two? I'd figure Python/Perl would be more well suited as far as power and efficiency goes.
Sebastian ,May 2, 2011 at 15:21
Two advantages come to mind:
- Simplicity: direct access to all wonderful linux tools
wc
,ls
,cat
,grep
,sed
... etc. Why constantly use python'ssubprocess
module?- I'm increasingly fond of using gnu parallel , with which you can execute your bash scripts in parallel. E.g. from the man page, batch create thumbs of all jpgs in directory in parallel:
ls *.jpg | parallel convert -geometry 120 {} thumb_{}
By the way, I usually have some python calls in my bash scripts (e.g. for plotting). Use whatever is best for the task!
Mario Peshev ,May 2, 2011 at 15:16
Perl scripts are usually (if not 100% of the times) faster than bash.A discussion on that: Perl vs Bash
reinierpost ,May 7, 2011 at 12:16
bash isn't a language so much as a command interpreter that's been hacked to death to allow for things that make it look like a scripting language. It's great for the simplest 1-5 line one-off tasks, but things that are dead simple in Perl or Python like array manipulation are horribly ugly in bash. I also find that bash tends not to pass two critical rules of thumb:
- The 6-month rule, which says you should be able to easily discern the purpose and basic mechanics of a script you wrote but haven't looked at in 6 months.
- The 'WTF per minute' rule. Everyone has their limit, and mine is pretty small. Once I get to 3 WTFs/min, I'm looking elsewhere.
As for 'shelling out' in scripting languages like Perl and Python, I find that I almost never need to do this, fwiw (disclaimer: I code almost 100% in Python). The Python os and shutil modules have most of what I need most of the time, and there are built-in modules for handling tarfiles, gzip files, zip files, etc. There's a glob module, an fnmatch module... there's a lot of stuff there. If you come across something you need to parallelize, then indent your code a level, put it in a 'run()' method, put that in a class that extends either threading.Thread or multiprocessing.Process, instantiate as many of those as you want, calling 'start()' on each one. Less than 5 minutes to get parallel execution generally.
Best of luck. Hope this helps.
daotoad ,May 2, 2011 at 17:40
For big projects use a language like Perl.There are a few things you can only do in bash (for example, alter the calling environment (when a script is sourced rather than run). Also, shell scripting is commonplace. It is worthwhile to learn the basics and learn your way around the available docs.
Plus there are times when knowing a shell well can save your bacon (on a fork-bombed system where you can't start any new processes, or if
/usr/bin
and or/usr/local/bin
fail to mount).Sebastian ,May 3, 2011 at 8:47
The advantage is that it's right there. Unless you use Python (or Perl) as your shell, writing a script to do a simple loop is a bunch of extra work.For short, simple scripts that call other programs, I'll use Bash. If I want to keep the output, odds are good that I'll trade up to Python.
For example:
for file in *; do process $file ; donewhere
process
is a program I want to run on each file, or...while true; do program_with_a_tendency_to_fail ; doneDoing either of those in Python or Perl is overkill.
For actually writing a program that I expect to maintain and use over time, Bash is rarely the right tool for the job. Particularly since most modern Unices come with both Perl and Python.
tchrist ,May 4, 2011 at 11:01
The most important advantage of POSIX shell scripts over Python or Perl scripts is that a POSIX shell is available on virtually every Unix machine. (There are also a few tasks shell scripts happen to be slightly more convenient for, but that's not a major issue.) If the portability is not an issue for you, I don't see much need to learn shell scripting.tchrist ,May 3, 2011 at 23:50
If you want to execute programs installed on the machine, nothing beats bash. You can always make a system call from Perl or Python, but I find it to be a hassle to read return values, etc.And since you know it will work pretty much anywhere throughout all of of time...
Alexandr Ciornii ,May 3, 2011 at 8:26
The advantage of shell scripting is that it's globally present on *ix boxes, and has a relatively stable core set of features you can rely on to run everywhere. With Perl and Python you have to worry about whether they're available and if so what version, as there have been significant syntactical incompatibilities throughout their lifespans. (Especially if you include Python 3 and Perl 6.)The disadvantage of shell scripting is everything else. Shell scripting languages are typically lacking in expressiveness, functionality and performance. And hacking command lines together from strings in a language without strong string processing features and libraries, to ensure the escaping is correct, invites security problems. Unless there's a compelling compatibility reason you need to go with shell, I would personally plump for a scripting language every time.
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jholster ,Nov 23, 2013 at 21:20
I'm planning to learn Perl 5 and as I have only used PHP until now, I wanted to know a bit about how the languages differ from each other.As PHP started out as a set of "Perl hacks" it has obviously cloned some of Perls features.
- What are the main differences in the syntax? Is it true that with Perl you have more options and ways to express something?
- Why is Perl not used for dynamic websites very often anymore? What made PHP gain more popularity?
hobbs ,Jan 17, 2013 at 8:36
Perl and PHP are more different than alike. Let's consider Perl 5, since Perl 6 is still under development. Some differences, grouped roughly by subject:
- Perl has native regular expression support, including regexp literals. PHP uses Perl's regexp functions as an extension.
- Perl has quite a few more operators , including matching (
=~
,!~
), quote-like (qw
,qx
&c.), exponentiation (**
), string repetition (x
) and range (..
and...
). PHP has a few operators Perl doesn't, such as the error suppression operator (@
),instanceof
(though Perl does have theUniversal ::isa
method) andclone
.- In PHP,
new
is an operator. In Perl, it's the conventional name of an object creation subroutine defined in packages, nothing special as far as the language is concerned.- Perl logical operators return their arguments, while they return booleans in PHP. Try:
$foo = '' || 'bar';in each language. In Perl, you can even do
$foo ||= 'default'
to set $foo to a value if it's not already set. The shortest way of doing this in PHP is$foo = isset($foo) ? $foo : 'default';
(Update, in PHP 7.0+ you can do$foo = $foo ?? 'default'
)- Perl variable names indicate built-in type, of which Perl has three, and the type specifier is part of the name (called a " sigil "), so
$foo
is a different variable than@foo
or%foo
. (related to the previous point) Perl has separate symbol table entries for scalars, arrays, hashes, code, file/directory handles and formats. Each has its own namespace.- Perl gives access to the symbol table , though manipulating it isn't for the faint of heart. In PHP, symbol table manipulation is limited to creating references and the
extract
function.- Note that "references" has a different meaning in PHP and Perl. In PHP, references are symbol table aliases. In Perl, references are smart pointers.
- Perl has different types for integer-indexed collections (arrays) and string indexed collections (hashes). In PHP, they're the same type: an associative array/ordered map .
- Perl arrays aren't sparse: setting an element with index larger than the current size of the array will set all intervening elements to
undefined
(see perldata ). PHP arrays are sparse; setting an element won't set intervening elements.- Perl supports hash and array slices natively, and slices are assignable, which has all sorts of uses . In PHP, you use
array_slice
to extract a slice andarray_splice
to assign to a slice.- You can leave out the argument to the subscript operator in PHP for a bit of magic. In Perl, you can't leave out the subscript.
- Perl hashes are unordered .
- Perl has a large number of predefined and magic variables . PHP's predefined variables have quite a different purpose.
- Perl has statement modifiers : some control statements can be placed at the end of a statement.
- Perl supports dynamic scoping via the
local
keyword.- In addition, Perl has global, lexical (block), and package scope . PHP has global, function, object, class and namespace scope .
- In Perl, variables are global by default. In PHP, variables in functions are local by default.
- Perl supports explicit tail calls via the
goto
function.- Perl's prototypes provide more limited type checking for function arguments than PHP's type hinting . As a result, prototypes are of more limited utility than type hinting.
- In Perl, the last evaluated statement is returned as the value of a subroutine if the statement is an expression (i.e. it has a value), even if a return statement isn't used. If the last statement isn't an expression (i.e. doesn't have a value), such as a loop, the return value is unspecified (see perlsub ). In PHP, if there's no explicit return, the return value is NULL .
- Perl flattens lists (see perlsub ); for un-flattened data structures, use references.
@foo = qw(bar baz); @qux = ('qux', @foo, 'quux'); # @qux is an array containing 4 strings @bam = ('bug-AWWK!', \@foo, 'fum'); # @bam contains 3 elements: two strings and a array refPHP doesn't flatten arrays.
- Perl has special code blocks (
BEGIN
,UNITCHECK
,CHECK
,INIT
andEND
) that are executed. Unlike PHP'sauto_prepend_file
andauto_append_file
, there is no limit to the number of each type of code block. Also, the code blocks are defined within the scripts, whereas the PHP options are set in the server and per-directory config files.- In Perl, the semicolon separates statements . In PHP, it terminates them, excepting that a PHP close tag ("?>") can also terminate a statement.
- The value of expressions in Perl is context sensitive .
- Negative subscripts in Perl are relative to the end of the array.
$bam[-1]
is the final element of the array. Negative subscripts in PHP are subscripts like any other.- In Perl 5, classes are based on packages and look nothing like classes in PHP (or most other languages). Perl 6 classes are closer to PHP classes, but still quite different. (Perl 6 is different from Perl 5 in many other ways, but that's off topic.) Many of the differences between Perl 5 and PHP arise from the fact that most of the OO features are not built-in to Perl but based on hacks. For example,
$obj->method(@args)
gets translated to something like(ref $obj)::method($obj, @args)
. Non-exhaustive list:
- PHP automatically provides the special variable
$this
in methods. Perl passes a reference to the object as the first argument to methods.- Perl requires references to be blessed to create an object. Any reference can be blessed as an instance of a given class.
- In Perl, you can dynamically change inheritance via the packages
@ISA
variable.- Perl supports operator overloading .
- Strictly speaking, Perl doesn't have multiline comments, but the POD system can be used for the same affect.
- In Perl,
//
is an operator. In PHP, it's the start of a one-line comment.- Until PHP 5.3, PHP had terrible support for anonymous functions (the
create_function
function) and no support for closures.- PHP had nothing like Perl's packages until version 5.3, which introduced namespaces .
- Arguably, Perl's built-in support for exceptions looks almost nothing like exceptions in other languages, so much so that they scarcely seem like exceptions. You evaluate a block and check the value of
$@
(eval
instead oftry
,die
instead ofthrow
). TheErrorTry::Tiny module supports exceptions as you find them in other languages (as well as some other modules listed in Error's See Also section).PHP was inspired by Perl the same way Phantom of the Paradise was inspired by Phantom of the Opera , or Strange Brew was inspired by Hamlet . It's best to put the behavior specifics of PHP out of your mind when learning Perl, else you'll get tripped up.
My brain hurts now, so I'm going to stop.
Your Common Sense ,Mar 29, 2010 at 2:19
When PHP came to the scene, everyone were impressed with main differences from Perl:
- Input variables already in the global scope, no boring parsing.
- HTML embedding. Just
<?php ... ?>
anywhere. No boring templates.- On-screen error messages. No boring error log peeks.
- Easy to learn. No boring book reading.
As the time passed, everyone learned that they were not a benefit, hehe...
Quentin ,Jan 15, 2016 at 3:27
I've noticed that most PHP vs. Perl pages seem to be of thePHP is better than Perl because <insert lame reason here>
ilk, and rarely make reasonable comparisons.
Syntax-wise, you will find PHP is often easier to understand than Perl, particularly when you have little experience. For example, trimming a string of leading and trailing whitespace in PHP is simply
$string = trim($string);In Perl it is the somewhat more cryptic
$string =~ s/^\s+//; $string =~ s/\s+$//;(I believe this is slightly more efficient than a single line capture and replace, and also a little more understandable.) However, even though PHP is often more English-like, it sometimes still shows its roots as a wrapper for low level C, for example,
strpbrk
andstrspn
are probably rarely used, because most PHP dabblers write their own equivalent functions for anything too esoteric, rather than spending time exploring the manual. I also wonder about programmers for whom English is a second language, as everybody is on equal footing with things such as Perl, having to learn it from scratch.I have already mentioned the manual. PHP has a fine online manual, and unfortunately it needs it. I still refer to it from time to time for things that should be simple, such as order of parameters or function naming convention. With Perl, you will probably find you are referring to the manual a lot as you get started and then one day you will have an a-ha moment and never need it again. Well, at least not until you're more advanced and realize that not only is there more than one way, there is probably a better way, somebody else has probably already done it that better way, and perhaps you should just visit CPAN.
Perl does have a lot more options and ways to express things. This is not necessarily a good thing, although it allows code to be more readable if used wisely and at least one of the ways you are likely to be familiar with. There are certain styles and idioms that you will find yourself falling into, and I can heartily recommend reading Perl Best Practices (sooner rather than later), along with Perl Cookbook, Second Edition to get up to speed on solving common problems.
I believe the reason Perl is used less often in shared hosting environments is that historically the perceived slowness of CGI and hosts' unwillingness to install mod_perl due to security and configuration issues has made PHP a more attractive option. The cycle then continued, more people learned to use PHP because more hosts offered it, and more hosts offered it because that's what people wanted to use. The speed differences and security issues are rendered moot by FastCGI these days, and in most cases PHP is run out of FastCGI as well, rather than leaving it in the core of the web server.
Whether or not this is the case or there are other reasons, PHP became popular and a myriad of applications have been written in it. For the majority of people who just want an entry-level website with a simple blog or photo gallery, PHP is all they need so that's what the hosts promote. There should be nothing stopping you from using Perl (or anything else you choose) if you want.
At an enterprise level, I doubt you would find too much PHP in production (and please, no-one point at Facebook as a counter-example, I said enterprise level).
Leon Timmermans ,Mar 28, 2010 at 22:15
Perl is used plenty for websites, no less than Python and Ruby for example. That said, PHP is used way more often than any of those. I think the most important factors in that are PHP's ease of deployment and the ease to start with it.The differences in syntax are too many to sum up here, but generally it is true that it has more ways to express yourself (this is know as TIMTWOTDI, There Is More Than One Way To Do It).
Brad Gilbert ,Mar 29, 2010 at 4:04
My favorite thing about Perl is the way it handles arrays/lists. Here's an example of how you would make and use a Perl function (or "subroutine"), which makes use of this for arguments:sub multiply { my ($arg1, $arg2) = @_; # @_ is the array of arguments return $arg1 * $arg2; }In PHP you could do a similar thing with
list()
, but it's not quite the same; in Perl lists and arrays are actually treated the same (usually). You can also do things like:$week_day_name = ("Sunday", "Monday", "Tuesday", "Wednesday", "Thursday", "Friday", "Saturday")[$week_day_index];And another difference that you MUST know about, is numerical/string comparison operators. In Perl, if you use
<
,>
,==
,!=
,<=>
, and so on, Perl converts both operands to numbers. If you want to convert as strings instead, you have to uselt
,gt
,eq
,ne
,cmp
(the respective equivalents of the operators listed previously). Examples where this will really get you:if ("a" == "b") { ... } # This is true. if ("a" == 0) { ... } # This is also true, for the same reason.Sorin Postelnicu, Aug 5, 2015 at 15:44
I do not need add anything to outis's fantastic answer, i want only show the answer for you question:Why is Perl not used for dynamic websites very often anymore? What made PHP gain more popularity than it?
Please check first some "Job Trends" sites - and you can make the judgement alone.
as you can see, perl is still a leader - but preferable for real applications not for toys. :)
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Radu Grigore , argued rigor Answered Apr 22 2012 I think some of the main original contributions to Computer Science are the following:
He also did some work in mathematics. If I remember correctly, I saw him in a video saying that the article he is most proud of is The Birth of the Giant Component . Mark VandeWettering , I have a lab coat, trust me! Answered Jan 10, 2014 · Author has 7.2k answers and 23.3m answer views Knuth won the Turing Award in 1974 for his contributions to the analysis of algorithms I'd submit that his "expository" work in the form of The Art of Programming go well beyond simple exposition, and brought a rigor and precision to the analysis of algorithms which was (and probably still is) unparalleled in term of thoroughness and scope. There is more knowledge in the margins of The Art of Programming than there is in most programming courses. 1.2k views · View 7 Upvoters Eugene Miya , Ex-Journal Editor, parallelism DB, committees and conferences, etc. Answered Sep 9, 2014 · Author has 11.2k answers and 7.9m answer views Everyone cites and overcites TAOCP.
- Knuth-Bendix algorithm/orders, used in all modern theorem provers, such as Z3 and Vampire, which in turn are used by many program analysis tools. The article is Simple Word Problems in Universal Algebras .
- Knuth-Moris-Pratt string searching (already mentioned). The article is Fast Pattern Matching in Strings .
- LR(k) grammars, which lay the foundation for parser generators (think yacc and successors). The article is On the Translation of Languages from Left to Right .
- Attribute grammars, a way to define the semantics of a (simple) programming language that pops up in research every now and then. For example, they were used in the study of VLSI circuits. The article is Semantics of Context-Free Languages .
- I believe he was the first to profile programs. The article is An Empirical Study of FORTRAN Programs .
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Perl Import Package in different Namespace Ask Question Asked 1 year ago Active 7 months ago Viewed 150 times We're doing things differently. View all 8 job openings! 2
choroba ,Sep 28, 2018 at 22:17
is it possible to import (use
) a perl module within a different namespace?Let's say I have a Module
A
(XS Module with no methods Exported@EXPORT
is empty) and I have no way of changing the module.This Module has a Method
A::open
currently I can use that Module in my main program (package main) by calling
A::open
I would like to have that module inside mypackage main
so that I can directly callopen
I tried to manually push every key of
%A::
into%main::
however that did not work as expected.The only way that I know to achieve what I want is by using
package A;
inside my main program, effectively changing the package of my program frommain
toA
. Im not satisfied with this. I would really like to keep my program inside package main.Is there any way to achieve this and still keep my program in package main?
Offtopic: Yes I know usually you would not want to import everything into your namespace but this module is used by us extensively and we don't want to type A:: (well the actual module name is way longer which isn't making the situation better)in front of hundreds or thousands of calls
Grinnz ,Oct 1, 2018 at 6:26
This is one of those "impossible" situations, where the clear solution -- to rework that module -- is off limits.But, you can alias that package's subs names, from its symbol table, to the same names in
main
. Worse than being rude, this comes with a glitch: it catches all names that that package itself imported in any way. However, since this package is a fixed quantity it stands to reason that you can establish that list (and even hard-code it). It is just this one time, right?main
use warnings; use strict; use feature 'say'; use OffLimits; GET_SUBS: { # The list of names to be excluded my $re_exclude = qr/^(?:BEGIN|import)$/; # ... my @subs = grep { !/$re_exclude/ } sort keys %OffLimits::; no strict 'refs'; for my $sub_name (@subs) { *{ $sub_name } = \&{ 'OffLimits::' . $sub_name }; } }; my $name = name('name() called from ' . __PACKAGE__); my $id = id('id() called from ' . __PACKAGE__); say "name() returned: $name"; say "id() returned: $id";with
OffLimits.pm
package OffLimits; use warnings; use strict; sub name { return "In " . __PACKAGE__ . ": @_" } sub id { return "In " . __PACKAGE__ . ": @_" } 1;It prints
name() returned: In OffLimits: name() called from main id() returned: In OffLimits: id() called from mainYou may need that code in a
BEGIN
block, depending on other details.Another option is of course to hard-code the subs to be "exported" (in
@subs
). Given that the module is in practice immutable this option is reasonable and more reliable.
This can also be wrapped in a module, so that you have the normal, selective, importing.
WrapOffLimits.pm
package WrapOffLimits; use warnings; use strict; use OffLimits; use Exporter qw(import); our @sub_names; our @EXPORT_OK = @sub_names; our %EXPORT_TAGS = (all => \@sub_names); BEGIN { # Or supply a hard-coded list of all module's subs in @sub_names my $re_exclude = qr/^(?:BEGIN|import)$/; # ... @sub_names = grep { !/$re_exclude/ } sort keys %OffLimits::; no strict 'refs'; for my $sub_name (@sub_names) { *{ $sub_name } = \&{ 'OffLimits::' . $sub_name }; } }; 1;and now in the caller you can import either only some subs
use WrapOffLimits qw(name);or all
use WrapOffLimits qw(:all);with otherwise the same main as above for a test.
The module name is hard-coded, which should be OK as this is meant only for that module.
The following is added mostly for completeness.
One can pass the module name to the wrapper by writing one's own
import
sub, which is what gets used then. The import list can be passed as well, at the expense of an awkward interface of theuse
statement.It goes along the lines of
package WrapModule; use warnings; use strict; use OffLimits; use Exporter qw(); # will need our own import our ($mod_name, @sub_names); our @EXPORT_OK = @sub_names; our %EXPORT_TAGS = (all => \@sub_names); sub import { my $mod_name = splice @_, 1, 1; # remove mod name from @_ for goto my $re_exclude = qr/^(?:BEGIN|import)$/; # etc no strict 'refs'; @sub_names = grep { !/$re_exclude/ } sort keys %{ $mod_name . '::'}; for my $sub_name (@sub_names) { *{ $sub_name } = \&{ $mod_name . '::' . $sub_name }; } push @EXPORT_OK, @sub_names; goto &Exporter::import; } 1;what can be used as
use WrapModule qw(OffLimits name id); # or (OffLimits :all)or, with the list broken-up so to remind the user of the unusual interface
use WrapModule 'OffLimits', qw(name id);When used with the main above this prints the same output.
The
use
statement ends up using the import sub defined in the module, which exports symbols by writing to the caller's symbol table. (If noimport
sub is written then theExporter
'simport
method is nicely used, which is how this is normally done.)This way we are able to unpack the arguments and have the module name supplied at
use
invocation. With the import list supplied as well now we have topush
manually to@EXPORT_OK
since this can't be in theBEGIN
phase. In the end the sub is replaced byExporter::import
via the (good form of) goto , to complete the job.Simerax ,Sep 30, 2018 at 10:19
You can forcibly "import" a function into main using glob assignment to alias the subroutine (and you want to do it in BEGIN so it happens at compile time, before calls to that subroutine are parsed later in the file):use strict; use warnings; use Other::Module; BEGIN { *open = \&Other::Module::open }However, another problem you might have here is that open is a builtin function, which may cause some problems . You can add
use subs 'open';
to indicate that you want to override the built-in function in this case, since you aren't using an actual import function to do so.Grinnz ,Sep 30, 2018 at 17:33
Here is what I now came up with. Yes this is hacky and yes I also feel like I opened pandoras box with this. However at least a small dummy program ran perfectly fine.I renamed the module in my code again. In my original post I used the example
A::open
actually this module does not contain any method/variable reserved by the perl core. This is why I blindly import everything here.BEGIN { # using the caller to determine the parent. Usually this is main but maybe we want it somewhere else in some cases my ($parent_package) = caller; package A; foreach (keys(%A::)) { if (defined $$_) { eval '*'.$parent_package.'::'.$_.' = \$A::'.$_; } elsif (%$_) { eval '*'.$parent_package.'::'.$_.' = \%A::'.$_; } elsif (@$_) { eval '*'.$parent_package.'::'.$_.' = \@A::'.$_; } else { eval '*'.$parent_package.'::'.$_.' = \&A::'.$_; } } }
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Perl Importing Variables From Calling Module Ask Question Asked 9 years, 1 month ago Active 9 years, 1 month ago Viewed 4k times 0 1
Russell C. ,Aug 31, 2010 at 20:31
I have a Perl module (Module.pm) that initializes a number of variables, some of which I'd like to import ($VAR2, $VAR3) into additional submodules that it might load during execution.The way I'm currently setting up Module.pm is as follows:
package Module; use warnings; use strict; use vars qw($SUBMODULES $VAR1 $VAR2 $VAR3); require Exporter; our @ISA = qw(Exporter); our @EXPORT = qw($VAR2 $VAR3); sub new { my ($package) = @_; my $self = {}; bless ($self, $package); return $self; } sub SubModules1 { my $self = shift; if($SUBMODULES->{'1'}) { return $SUBMODULES->{'1'}; } # Load & cache submodule require Module::SubModule1; $SUBMODULES->{'1'} = Module::SubModule1->new(@_); return $SUBMODULES->{'1'}; } sub SubModules2 { my $self = shift; if($SUBMODULES->{'2'}) { return $SUBMODULES->{'2'}; } # Load & cache submodule require Module::SubModule2; $SUBMODULES->{'2'} = Module::SubModule2->new(@_); return $SUBMODULES->{'2'}; }Each submodule is structured as follows:
package Module::SubModule1; use warnings; use strict; use Carp; use vars qw(); sub new { my ($package) = @_; my $self = {}; bless ($self, $package); return $self; }I want to be able to import the $VAR2 and $VAR3 variables into each of the submodules without having to reference them as $Module::VAR2 and $Module::VAR3. I noticed that the calling script is able to access both the variables that I have exported in Module.pm in the desired fashion but SubModule1.pm and SubModule2.pm still have to reference the variables as being from Module.pm.
I tried updating each submodule as follows which unfortunately didn't work I was hoping:
package Module::SubModule1; use warnings; use strict; use Carp; use vars qw($VAR2 $VAR3); sub new { my ($package) = @_; my $self = {}; bless ($self, $package); $VAR2 = $Module::VAR2; $VAR3 = $Module::VAR3; return $self; }Please let me know how I can successfully export $VAR2 and $VAR3 from Module.pm into each Submodule. Thanks in advance for your help!
Russell C. ,Aug 31, 2010 at 22:37
In your submodules, are you forgetting to sayuse Module;? Calling
use Module
from another package (sayModule::Submodule9
) will try to run theModule::import
method. Since you don't have that method, it will call theExporter::import
method, and that is where the magic that exportsModule
's variables into theModule::Submodule9
namespace will happen.
In your program there is only one
Module
namespace and only one instance of the (global) variable$Module::VAR2
. Exporting creates aliases to this variable in other namespaces, so the same variable can be accessed in different ways. Try this in a separate script:package Whatever; use Module; use strict; use vars qw($VAR2); $Module::VAR2 = 5; print $Whatever::VAR2; # should be 5. $VAR2 = 14; # same as $Whatever::VAR2 = 14 print $Module::VAR2; # should be 14Russell C. ,Aug 31, 2010 at 21:38
Well there is the easy way:In M.pm:
package M; use strict; use warnings; #our is better than "use vars" for creating package variables #it creates an alias to $M::foo named $foo in the current lexical scope our $foo = 5; sub inM { print "$foo\n" } 1;In M/S.pm
package M; #creates an alias to $M::foo that will last for the entire scope, #in this case the entire file our $foo; package M::S; use strict; use warnings; sub inMS { print "$foo\n" } 1;In the script:
#!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use M; use M::S; M::inM(); M::S::inMS();But I would advise against this. Global variables are not a good practice, and sharing global variables between modules is even worse.
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These are the oldest type of variables in Perl. They are still used in some cases, even though in most cases you should just use lexical variables.
In old times, if we started to use a variable without declaring it with the my or state keywords, we automatically got a variable in the current namespace. Thus we could write:
- $x = 42 ;
- print "$x\n" ; # 42
Please note, we don't use strict; in these examples. Even though you should always use strict . We'll fix this in a bit.
The default namespace in every perl script is called "main" and you can always access variables using their full name including the namespace:
- $x = 42 ;
- print "$x\n" ; # 42
- print "$main::x\n" ; # 42
The package keyword is used to switch namespaces:
- $x = 42 ;
- print "$x\n" ; # 42
- print "$main::x\n" ; # 42
- package Foo ;
- print "Foo: $x\n" ; # Foo:
Please note, once we switched to the "Foo" namespace, the $x name refers to the variable in the Foo namespace. It does not have any value yet.
- $x = 42 ;
- print "$x\n" ; # 42
- print "$main::x\n" ; # 42
- package Foo ;
- print "Foo: $x\n" ; # Foo:
- $x = 23 ;
- print "Foo: $x\n" ; # Foo 23;
Do we really have two $x-es? Can we reach the $x in the main namespace while we are in the Foo namespace?
- $x = 42 ;
- print "$x\n" ; # 42
- print "$main::x\n" ; # 42
- package Foo ;
- print "Foo: $x\n" ; # Foo:
- $x = 23 ;
- print "Foo: $x\n" ; # Foo 23
- print "main: $main::x\n" ; # main: 42
- print "Foo: $Foo::x\n" ; # Foo: 23
- package main ;
- print "main: $main::x\n" ; # main: 42
- print "Foo: $Foo::x\n" ; # Foo: 23
- print "$x\n" ; # 42
We even switched back to the main namespace (using package main; ) and if you look closely, you can see that while we were already in the main package we could reach to the $x of the Foo package using $Foo::x but if we accessed $x without the full package name, we reach the one in the main namespace.
Every package (or namespace) can hold variables with the same name.
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Just the FAQs: Coping with ScopingIn the Beginning, some time around 1960, every part of your program had access to all the variables in every other part of the program. That turned out to be a problem, so language designers invented local variables, which were visible in only a small part of the program. That way, programmers who used a variable x could be sure that nobody was able to tamper with the contents of x behind their back. They could also be sure that by using x they weren't tampering with someone else's variable by mistake.
Every programming language has a philosophy, and these days most of these philosophies have to do with the way the names of variables are managed. Details of which variables are visible to which parts of the program, and what names mean what, and when, are of prime importance. The details vary from somewhat baroque, in languages like Lisp, to extremely baroque, in languages like C++. Perl unfortunately, falls somewhere towards the rococo end of this scale.
The problem with Perl isn't that it has no clearly-defined system of name management, but rather that it two systems, both working at once. Here's the Big Secret about Perl variables that most people learn too late: Perl has two completely separate, independent sets of variables. One is left over from Perl 4, and the other is new. The two sets of variables are called `package variables' and `lexical variables', and they have nothing to do with each other.
Package variables came first, so we'll talk about them first. Then we'll see some problems with package variables, and how lexical variables were introduced in Perl 5 to avoid these problems. Finally, we'll see how to get Perl to automatically diagnose places where you might not be getting the variable you meant to get, which can find mistakes before they turn into bugs.
Package Variables$x = 1Here, $x is a package variable . There are two important things to know about package variables:
- Package variables are what you get if you don't say otherwise.
- Package variables are always global.
Global means that package variables are always visible everywhere in every program. After you do $x = 1 , any other part of the program, even some other subroutine defined in some other file, can inspect and modify the value of $x . There's no exception to this; package variables are always global.
Package variables are divided into families, called packages . Every package variable has a name with two parts. The two parts are analogous to the variable's given name and family name. You can call the Vice-President of the United States `Al', if you want, but that's really short for his full name, which is `Al Gore'. Similarly, $x has a full name, which is something like $main::x . The main part is the package qualifier , analogous to the `Gore' part of `Al Gore'. Al Gore and Al Capone are different people even though they're both named `Al'. In the same way, $Gore::Al and $Capone::Al are different variables, and $main::x and $DBI::x are different variables.
You're always allowed to include the package part of the variable's name, and if you do, Perl will know exactly which variable you mean. But for brevity, you usually like to leave the package qualifier off. What happens if you do?
The Current PackageIf you just say $x , perl assumes that you mean the variable $x in the current package. What's the current package? It's normally main , but you can change the current package by writing
package Mypackage;in your program; from that point on, the current package is Mypackage . The only thing the current package does is affect the interpretation of package variables that you wrote without package names. If the current package is Mypackage , then $x really means $Mypackage::x . If the current package is main , then $x really means $main::x.
If you were writing a module, let's say the MyModule module, you would probably put a line like this at the top of the module file:
package MyModule;From there on, all the package variables you used in the module file would be in package MyModule , and you could be pretty sure that those variables wouldn't conflict with the variables in the rest of the program. It wouldn't matter if both you and the author of DBI were to use a variable named $x , because one of those $x es would be $MyModule::x and the other would be $DBI::x .
Remember that package variables are always global. Even if you're not in package DBI, even if you've never heard of package DBI, nothing can stop you from reading from or writing to $DBI::errstr . You don't have to do anything special. $DBI::errstr , like all package variables, is a global variable, and it's available globally; all you have to do is mention its full name to get it. You could even say
package DBI; $errstr = 'Ha ha Tim!';and that would modify $DBI::errstr .
Package Variable TriviaThere are only three other things to know about package variables, and you might want to skip them on the first reading:
- The package with the empty name is the same as main . So $::x is the same as $main::x for any x .
- Some variables are always forced to be in package main. For example, if you mention %ENV , Perl assumes that you mean %main::ENV , even if the current package isn't main . If you want %Fred::ENV , you have to say so explicitly, even if the current package is Fred . Other names that are special this way include INC , all the one-punctuation-character names like $_ and $$ , @ARGV , and STDIN , STDOUT , and STDERR .
- Package names, but not variable names, can contain :: . You can have a variable named $DBD::Oracle::x. This means the variable x in the package DBD::Oracle ; it has nothing at all to do with the package DBD which is unrelated. Isaac Newton is not related to Olivia Newton-John, and Newton::Isaac is not related to Newton::John::Olivia . Even though it appears that they both begin with Newton , the appearance is deceptive. Newton::John::Olivia is in package Newton::John , not package Newton.
That's all there is to know about package variables.
Package variables are global, which is dangerous, because you can never be sure that someone else isn't tampering with them behind your back. Up through Perl 4, all variables were package variables, which was worrisome. So Perl 5 added new variables that aren't global.
Lexical VariablesPerl's other set of variables are called lexical variables (we'll see why later) or private variables because they're private. They're also sometimes called my variables because they're always declared with my . It's tempting to call them `local variables', because their effect is confined to a small part of the program, but don't do that, because people might think you're talking about Perl's local operator, which we'll see later. When you want a `local variable', think my , not local .
The declaration
my $x;creates a new variable, named x , which is totally inaccessible to most parts of the program---anything outside the block where the variable was declared. This block is called the scope of the variable. If the variable wasn't declared in any block, its scope is from the place it was declared to the end of the file.
You can also declare and initialize a my variable by writing something like
my $x = 119;You can declare and initialize several at once:
my ($x, $y, $z, @args) = (5, 23, @_);Let's see an example of where some private variables will be useful. Consider this subroutine:
sub print_report { @employee_list = @_; foreach $employee (@employee_list) { $salary = lookup_salary($employee); print_partial_report($employee, $salary); } }If lookup_salary happens to also use a variable named $employee , that's going to be the same variable as the one used in print_report , and the works might get gummed up. The two programmers responsible for print_report and lookup_salary will have to coordinate to make sure they don't use the same variables. That's a pain. In fact, in even a medium-sized project, it's an intolerable pain.
The solution: Use my variables:
sub print_report { my @employee_list = @_; foreach my $employee (@employee_list) { my $salary = lookup_salary($employee); print_partial_report($employee, $salary); } }my @employee_list creates a new array variable which is totally inaccessible outside the print_report function. for my $employee creates a new scalar variable which is totally inaccessible outside the foreach loop, as does my $salary . You don't have to worry that the other functions in the program are tampering with these variables, because they can't; they don't know where to find them, because the names have different meanings outside the scope of the my declarations. These `my variables' are sometimes called `lexical' because their scope depends only on the program text itself, and not on details of execution, such as what gets executed in what order. You can determine the scope by inspecting the source code without knowing what it does. Whenever you see a variable, look for a my declaration higher up in the same block. If you find one, you can be sure that the variable is inaccessible outside that block. If you don't find a declaration in the smallest block, look at the next larger block that contains it, and so on, until you do find one. If there is no my declaration anywhere, then the variable is a package variable.
my variables are not package variables. They're not part of a package, and they don't have package qualifiers. The current package has no effect on the way they're interpreted. Here's an example:
my $x = 17; package A; $x = 12; package B; $x = 20; # $x is now 20. # $A::x and $B::x are still undefinedThe declaration my $x = 17 at the top creates a new lexical variable named x whose scope continues to the end of the file. This new meaning of $x overrides the default meaning, which was that $x meant the package variable $x in the current package.
package A changes the current package, but because $x refers to the lexical variable, not to the package variable, $x=12 doesn't have any effect on $A::x . Similarly, after package B , $x=20 modifies the lexical variable, and not any of the package variables.
At the end of the file, the lexical variable $x holds 20, and the package variables $main::x , $A::x , and $B::x are still undefined. If you had wanted them, you could still have accessed them by using their full names.
The maxim you must remember is:
Package variables are global variables.
local and my
For private variables, you must use my .Almost everyone already knows that there's a local function that has something to do with local variables. What is it, and how does it related to my ? The answer is simple, but bizarre:
my creates a local variable. local doesn't.
First, here's what local $x really does: It saves the current value of the package variable $x in a safe place, and replaces it with a new value, or with undef if no new value was specified. It also arranges for the old value to be restored when control leaves the current block. The variables that it affects are package variables, which get local values. But package variables are always global, and a local package variable is no exception. To see the difference, try this:
$lo = 'global'; $m = 'global'; A(); sub A { local $lo = 'AAA'; my $m = 'AAA'; B(); } sub B { print "B ", ($lo eq 'AAA' ? 'can' : 'cannot') , " see the value of lo set by A.\n"; print "B ", ($m eq 'AAA' ? 'can' : 'cannot') , " see the value of m set by A.\n"; }This prints
B can see the value of lo set by A. B cannot see the value of m set by A.What happened here? The local declaration in A saved a new temporary value, AAA , in the package variable $lo . The old value, global , will be restored when A returns, but before that happens, A calls B . B has no problem accessing the contents of $lo , because $lo is a package variable and package variables are always available everywhere, and so it sees the value AAA set by A .
In contrast, the my declaration created a new, lexically scoped variable named $m , which is only visible inside of function A . Outside of A , $m retains its old meaning: It refers the the package variable $m ; which is still set to global . This is the variable that B sees. It doesn't see the AAA because the variable with that value is a lexical variable, and only exists inside of A .
What Good is local ?Because local does not actually create local variables, it is not very much use. If, in the example above, B happened to modify the value of $lo , then the value set by A would be overwritten. That is exactly what we don't want to happen. We want each function to have its own variables that are untouchable by the others. This is what my does.
Why have local at all? The answer is 90% history. Early versions of Perl only had global variables. local was very easy to implement, and was added to Perl 4 as a partial solution to the local variable problem. Later, in Perl 5, more work was done, and real local variables were put into the language. But the name local was already taken, so the new feature was invoked with the word my . my was chosen because it suggests privacy, and also because it's very short; the shortness is supposed to encourage you to use it instead of local . my is also faster than local .
When to Use my and When to Use localAlways use my ; never use local .
Wasn't that easy?
Other Properties of my VariablesEvery time control reaches a my declaration, Perl creates a new, fresh variable. For example, this code prints x=1 fifty times:
for (1 .. 50) { my $x; $x++; print "x=$x\n"; }You get a new $x , initialized to undef , every time through the loop.
If the declaration were outside the loop, control would only pass by it once, so there would only be one variable:
{ my $x; for (1 .. 50) { $x++; print "x=$x\n"; } }This prints x=1 , x=2 , x=3 , ... x=50 .
You can use this to play a useful trick. Suppose you have a function that needs to remember a value from one call to the next. For example, consider a random number generator. A typical random number generator (like Perl's rand function) has a seed in it. The seed is just a number. When you ask the random number generator for a random number, the function performs some arithmetic operation that scrambles the seed, and it returns the result. It also saves the result and uses it as the seed for the next time it is called.
Here's typical code: (I stole it from the ANSI C standard, but it behaves poorly, so don't use it for anything important.)
$seed = 1; sub my_rand { $seed = int(($seed * 1103515245 + 12345) / 65536) % 32768; return $seed; }And typical output:
16838 14666 10953 11665 7451 26316 27974 27550There's a problem here, which is that $seed is a global variable, and that means we have to worry that someone might inadvertently tamper with it. Or they might tamper with it on purpose, which could affect the rest of the program. What if the function were used in a gambling program, and someone tampered with the random number generator?
But we can't declare $seed as a my variable in the function:
sub my_rand { my $seed; $seed = int(($seed * 1103515245 + 12345) / 65536) % 32768; return $seed; }If we did, it would be initialized to undef every time we called my_rand . We need it to retain its value between calls to my_rand .
Here's the solution:
{ my $seed = 1; sub my_rand { $seed = int(($seed * 1103515245 + 12345) / 65536) % 32768; return $seed; } }The declaration is outside the function, so it only happens once, at the time the program is compiled, not every time the function is called. But it's a my variable, and it's in a block, so it's only accessible to code inside the block. my_rand is the only other thing in the block, so the $seed variable is only accessible to the my_rand function.
$seed here is sometimes called a `static' variable, because it stays the same in between calls to the function. (And because there's a similar feature in the C language that is activated by the static keyword.)
my Variable TriviaDeclarations
- You can't declare a variable my if its name is a punctuation character, like $_ , @_ , or $$ . You can't declare the backreference variables $1 , $2 , ... as my . The authors of my thought that that would be too confusing.
- Obviously, you can't say my $DBI::errstr , because that's contradictory---it says that the package variable $DBI::errstr is now a lexical variable. But you can say local $DBI::errstr ; it saves the current value of $DBI::errstr and arranges for it to be restored at the end of the block.
- New in Perl 5.004, you can write
foreach my $i (@list) {instead, to confine the $i to the scope of the loop instead. Similarly,
for (my $i=0; $i<100; $i++) {confines the scope of $i to the for loop.
If you're writing a function, and you want it to have private variables, you need to declare the variables with my . What happens if you forget?
sub function { $x = 42; # Oops, should have been my $x = 42. }In this case, your function modifies the global package variable $x . If you were using that variable for something else, it could be a disaster for your program.
Recent versions of Perl have an optional protection against this that you can enable if you want. If you put
use strict 'vars';at the top of your program, Perl will require that package variables have an explicit package qualifier. The $x in $x=42 has no such qualifier, so the program won't even compile; instead, the compiler will abort and deliver this error message:
Global symbol "$x" requires explicit package name at ...If you wanted $x to be a private my variable, you can go back and add the my . If you really wanted to use the global package variable, you could go back and change it to
$main::x = 42;or whatever would be appropriate.
Just saying use strict turns on strict vars , and several other checks besides. See perldoc strict for more details.
Now suppose you're writing the Algorithms::KnuthBendix modules, and you want the protections of strict vars But you're afraid that you won't be able to finish the module because your fingers are starting to fall off from typing $Algorithms::KnuthBendix::Error all the time.
You can save your fingers and tell strict vars to make an exception:
package Algorithms::KnuthBendix; use vars '$Error';This exempts the package variable $Algorithms::KnuthBendix::Error from causing a strict vars failure if you refer to it by its short name, $Error .
You can also turn strict vars off for the scope of one block by writing
{ no strict 'vars'; # strict vars is off for the rest of the block. }SummaryPackage variables are always global. They have a name and a package qualifier. You can omit the package qualifier, in which case Perl uses a default, which you can set with the package declaration. For private variables, use my . Don't use local ; it's obsolete.
You should avoid using global variables because it can be hard to be sure that no two parts of the program are using one another's variables by mistake.
To avoid using global variables by accident, add use strict 'vars' to your program. It checks to make sure that all variables are either declared private, are explicitly qualified with package qualifiers, or are explicitly declared with use vars .
Glossary
- global variable
- global
- lexical variable
- local declaration
- my
- my declaration
- my variable
- package declaration
- package qualifier
- package variable
- private variable
- scope
- use strict vars
- use vars
Notes
- The tech editors complained about my maxim `Never use local .' But 97% of the time, the maxim is exactly right. local has a few uses, but only a few, and they don't come up too often, so I left them out, because the whole point of a tutorial article is to present 97% of the utility in 50% of the space.
I was still afraid I'd get a lot of tiresome email from people saying ``You forgot to mention that local can be used for such-and-so, you know.'' So in the colophon at the end of the article, I threatened to deliver Seven Useful Uses for local in three months. I mostly said it to get people off my back about local . But it turned out that I did write it, and it was published some time later.
The Seven Useful Uses of local is now available on the web site. It appeared in The Perl Journal issue #14.
- Here's another potentially interesting matter that I left out for space and clarity. I got email from Robert Watkins with a program he was writing that didn't work. The essence of the bug looked like this:
my $x; for $x (1..5) { s(); } sub s { print "$x, " }Robert wanted this to print 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but it did not. Instead, it printed , , , , , . Where did the values of $x go?
The deal here is that normally, when you write something like this:
for $x (...) { }Perl wants to confine the value of the index variable to inside the loop. If $x is a package variable, it pretends that you wrote this instead:
{ local $x; for $x (...) { } }But if $x is a lexical variable, it pretends you wrote this instead, instead:
{ my $x; for $x (...) { } }This means that the loop index variable won't get propagated to subroutines, even if they're in the scope of the original declaration.
I probably shouldn't have gone on at such length, because the perlsyn manual page describes it pretty well:
...the variable is implicitly local to the loop and regains its former value upon exiting the loop. If the variable was previously declared with my , it uses that variable instead of the global one, but it's still localized to the loop. (Note that a lexically scoped variable can cause problems if you have subroutine or format declarations within the loop which refer to it.)In my opinion, lexically scoping the index variable was probably a mistake. If you had wanted that, you would have written for my $x ... in the first place. What I would have liked it to do was to localize the lexical variable: It could save the value of the lexical variable before the loop, and restore it again afterwards. But there may be technical reasons why that couldn't be done, because this doesn't work either:
my $m; { local $m = 12; ... }The local fails with this error message:
Can't localize lexical variable $m...There's been talk on P5P about making this work, but I gather it's not trivial.
- Added 2000-01-05: Perl 5.6.0 introduced a new our(...) declaration. Its syntax is the same as for my() , and it is a replacement for use vars .
Without getting into the details, our() is just like use vars ; its only effect is to declare variables so that they are exempt from the strict 'vars' checking. It has two possible advantages over use vars , however: Its syntax is less weird, and its effect is lexical. That is, the exception that it creates to the strict checking continues only to the end of the current block:
use strict 'vars'; { our($x); $x = 1; # Use of global variable $x here is OK } $x = 2; # Use of $x here is a compile-time error as usualSo whereas use vars '$x' declares that it is OK to use the global variable $x everywhere, our($x) allows you to say that global $x should be permitted only in certain parts of your program, and should still be flagged as an error if you accidentally use it elsewhere.
- Added 2000-01-05: Here's a little wart that takes people by surprise. Consider the following program:
use strict 'vars'; my @lines = <>; my @sorted = sort backwards @lines; print @sorted; sub backwards { $b cmp $a }Here we have not declared $a or $b , so they are global variables. In fact, they have to be global, because the sort operator must to be able to set them up for the backwards function. Why doesn't strict produce a failure?
The variables $a and $b are exempted from strict vars checking, for exactly this reason.
Feb 26, 2006 | perl.org.il
Irrationalities in Other Languages (5:54)
Now, I'm not the only language designer with irrationalities. You can think of some languages to go with some of these things.
"We've got to start over from scratch" - Well, that's almost any academic language you find.
"English phrases" - We'll that's Cobol. You know, cargo cult English. ( laughter )
"Text processing doesn't matter much" - Fortran.
"Simple languages produce simple solutions" - C.
"If I wanted it fast, I'd write it in C" - That's almost a direct quote from the original awk page.
"I thought of a way to do it so it must be right" - That's obviously PHP. ( laughter and applause )
"You can build anything with NAND gates" - Any language designed by an electrical engineer. ( laughter )
"This is a very high level language, who cares about bits?" - The entire scope of fourth generation languages fell into this... problem.
"Users care about elegance" - A lot of languages from Europe tend to fall into this. You know, Eiffel.
"The specification is good enough" - Ada.
"Abstraction equals usability" - Scheme. Things like that.
"The common kernel should be as small as possible" - Forth.
"Let's make this easy for the computer" - Lisp. ( laughter )
"Most programs are designed top-down" - Pascal. ( laughter )
"Everything is a vector" - APL.
"Everything is an object" - Smalltalk and its children. (whispered:) Ruby. ( laughter )
"Everything is a hypothesis" - Prolog. ( laughter )
"Everything is a function" - Haskell. ( laughter )
"Programmers should never have been given free will" - Obviously, Python. ( laughter )
So my psychological conjecture is that normal people, if they perceive that a computer language is forcing them to learn theory, they won't like it. In other words, hide the fancy stuff. It can be there, just hide it. Fan Mail (14:42)
- Q: "Dear Larry, I love Perl. It has saved my company, my crew, my sanity and my marriage. After Perl I can't imagine going back to any other language. I dream in Perl, I tell everyone else about Perl. How can you improve on perfection? Signed, Happy in Haifa."
- A: "Dear Happy,
- You need to recognize that Perl can be good in some dimensions and not so good in other dimensions. You also need to recognize that there will be some pain in climbing over or tunneling through the barrier to the true minimum."
Now Perl 5 has a few false minima. Syntax, semantics, pragmatics, ( laughter ), discourse structure, implementation, documentation, culture... Other than that Perl 5 is not too bad.
- Q: "Dear Larry,
- You have often talked about the waterbed theory of linguistic complexity, and beauty times brains equals a constant. Isn't it true that improving Perl in some areas will automatically make it worse in other areas? Signed, Terrified in Tel-Aviv."
- A: "Dear Terrified,
- ...
- No." ( laughter )
You see, you can make some things so they aren't any worse. For instance, we changed all the sigils to be more consistent, and they're just the same length, they're just different. And you can make some things much better. Instead of having to write all this gobbledygook to dereference references in Perl 5 you can just do it straight left to right in Perl 6. Or there's even more shortcuts, so multidimensional arrays and constant hash subscripts get their own notation, so it's even clearer, at least once you've learned it. Again, we're optimizing for expressiveness, not necessarily learnability.
- Q: "Dear Larry,
- I've heard a disturbing rumor that Perl 6 is turning into Java, or Python, or (whispered:) Ruby, or something. What's the point of using Perl if it's just another object-oriented language? Why are we changing the arrow operator to the dot operator? Signed, Nervous in Netanya."
- A: "Dear Nervous,
- First of all, we can do object orientation better without making other things worse. As I said. Now, we're changing from arrow to dot, because ... because ... Well, just 'cuz I said so!"
You know, actually, we do have some good reasons - it's shorter, it's the industry standard, I wanted the arrow for something else, and I wanted the dot as a secondary sigil. Now we can have it for attributes that have accessors. I also wanted the unary dot for topical type calls, with an assumed object on the left and finally, because I said so. Darn it.
... ... ...
No arbitrary limits round two : Perl started off with the idea that strings should grow infinitely, if you have memory. Just let's get rid of those arbitrary limits that plagued Unix utilities in the early years. Perl 6 is taking this in a number of different dimensions than just how long your strings are. No arbitrary limits - you ought to be able to program very abstractly, you ought to be able to program very concretely - that's just one dimension.
... .. ...
Perl 5 is just all full of these strange gobbledygooky variables which we all know and love - and hate. So the error variables are now unified into a single error variable. These variables have been deprecated forever, they're gone! These weird things that just drive syntax highlighters nuts ( laughter ) now actually have more regular names. The star there, $*GID, that's what we call a secondary sigil, what that just says is this is in the global namespace. So we know that that's a global variable for the entire process. Similarly for uids.
... ... ...
Perl 5 had this problem with "do" loops because they weren't real loops - they were a "do" block followed by a statement modifier, and people kept wanting to use loop control it them. Well, we can fix that. "loop" now is a real loop. And it allows a modifier on it but still behaves as a real loop. And so, do goes off to have other duties, and you can write a loop that tests at the end and it is a real loop. And this is just one of many many many things that confused new Perl 5 programmers.
... ... ...
Perl 5, another place where it was too orthogonal - we defined parameter passing to just come in as an array. You know arrays, subroutines - they're just orthogonal. You just happen to have one called @_, which your parameters come in, and it was wonderfully orthogonal, and people built all sorts of stuff on top of it, and it's another place where we are changing.
... .. ...
Likewise, if you turn them inside out - the french quotes - you can use the regular angle brackets, and yes, we did change here-docs so it does not conflict, then that's the equivalent of "qw". This qw interpolates, with single-angles it does not interpolate - that is the exact "qw".We have properties which you can put on variables and onto values. These are generalizations of things that were special code in Perl 5, but now we have general mechanisms to do the same things, they're actually done using a mix-in mechanism like Ruby.
Smart match operators is, like Damian say, equal-tilda ("=~") on steroids. Instead of just allowing a regular expression on the right side it allows basically anything, and it figures out that this wants to do a numeric comparison, this wants to do a string comparison, this wants to compare two arrays, this wants to do a lookup in the hash; this wants to call the closure on the right passing in the left argument, and it will tell if you if $x can quack. Now that looks a little strange because you can just say "$x.can('quack')". Why would you do it this way? Well, you'll see.
... ... ..
There's a lot of cruft that we inherited from the UNIX culture and we added more cruft, and we're cleaning it up. So in Perl 5 we made the mistake of interpreting regular expressions as strings, which means we had to do weird things like back-references are \1 on the left, but they're $1 on the right, even though it means the same thing. In Perl 6, because it's just a language, (an embedded language) $1 is the back-reference. It does not automatically interpolate this $1 from what it was before. You can also get it translated to Euros I guess.
May 19, 2019 | www.quora.com
- die " Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated . \n "
Perl is alive and well, but it has steadily been losing promise over the past 20 years.
It's still heavily used for the tasks it was used for when I learnt it, in 1994–1995, but at that time, it looked set for an even brighter future: it was developing into one of the top-5 languages, a universal scripting language, a language you expect to find wherever scripting or dynamically typed languages are appropriate.
You can still find evidence of that today: some software has an extension API in Perl, some web applications are written in Perl, some larger system administration software is written in Perl, etcetera. But these systems are typically 20 years old. If you do this today, be prepared to justify yourself.
This is not because Perl has become any less suitable for doing these things. On the contrary, it has continued to improve. Yet, people have turned away from Perl, towards newer scripting languages such as Python, PHP, Ruby, and Lua, for tasks that in 1995 they would probably have used Perl for.
Why?
I believe the reason is simple: Perl is very free, syntactically and semantically. This makes it very good at what it was designed to do (scripting) but less suited for larger-scale programming.
Perl's syntactic freedom mostly originates from its mimicking idioms from other languages. It was designed to be a suitable replacement for other scripting languages, most notably the Bourne shell (
/bin/ sh
) andawk
, so it adopts some of their idioms. This is perfect if you like these idioms for their compactness.For instance, in the Bourne shell, we can write
- if mkdir $directory
- then
- echo successfully created directory : $directory
- elif test - d $directory
- then
- echo pre - existing directory : $directory
- else
- echo cannot create directory : $directory
- fi
In the Bourne shell, every statement is a Unix command invocation; in this case,
test
andmkdir
. (Some commands, such astest
, were built into the shell later.) Every command will succeed or fail, so we can use it in the condition of anif
statement.Now what if we only want to print a warning when something went wrong? We can write this:
- if mkdir $directory
- then
- : # nothing
- elif test - d $directory
- then
- : # nothing
- else
- echo cannot create directory : $directory
- fi
or we can combine the two conditions:
- if mkdir $directory || test - d $directory
- then
- : # nothing
- else
- echo cannot create directory : $directory
- fi
or we can combine them even further:
- mkdir $directory ||
- test - d $directory ||
- echo cannot create directory : $directory
These all do the same exact thing; clearly, the last version is the most compact. In a shell script with a lot of tests like this, writing things this way can save a considerable amount of space. Especially in throwaway scripts of a few lines, it's a lot easier to use more compact syntax.
Most programmers are familiar with seeing some special syntax for conditions in
if
statements. For this reason, Unix has the[
command, which scans its arguments for a matching ], and then invokestest
with the arguments up to that point. So we can always replace
- test - d $directory
with
- [ - d $directory ]
in the pieces of code above. It means the same thing.
Now, Perl comes onto the scene. It is designed to be easy to replace Bourne shell scripts with. This is a very frequent use case for Perl, even today: I regularly find myself rewriting my Bourne shell scripts into Perl by going through them line by line.
So what do the Perl replacements of the above look like?
Here we go:
- if ( mkdir $directory )
- {
- # nothing
- } elsif (- d $directory )
- {
- # nothing
- } else {
- say "cannot create directory: $directory"
- }
or we can combine the two conditions:
- if ( mkdir $directory || - d $directory )
- {
- # nothing
- } else {
- say "cannot create directory: $directory"
- }
or we can combine them even further:
- mkdir $directory or
- - d $directory or
- say "cannot create directory: $directory"
As you can see, these are literal transliterations of the corresponding Bourne shell fragments.
In a language such as Java, you can use the first two forms, but not the third one. In such languages, there is a syntactic separation between expressions , which yield a value, and must be used in a context that demands such a value, and statements , which do not yield a value, and must be used in contexts that do not demand one. The third form is syntactically an expression, used in a context that demands a statement, which is invalid in such a language.
No such distinction is made in Perl, a trait it inherited from the Bourne shell, which in turn took it from Algol 68.
So here we have an example of syntactic freedom in Perl that many other languages lack, and in this case, Perl took it from the Bourne shell.
Allowing more compactness isn't the only reason for this freedom. The direct reason the Bourne shell doesn't make the distinction is that it relies on Unix commands, which do not make the distinction, either. Every Unix command can return a value (a return code) to indicate whether it failed and how. Therefore, it acts both as a statement and as a condition. There is a deeper reason behind this: concurrency.
For instance, when we want to create a directory, we can't separate doing it from testing whether it can/could be done. We could try and write something like
- if ( some test to see if we can mkdir $directory )
- then
- mkdir directory
- fi
- if ( some test to see if we managed to mkdir directory )
- then
- [...]
- fi
but that logic isn't correct. Unix is a multiprogramming environment, so anything could happen between our first test and our mkdir command, and before our mkdir command and the second test. Someone else might create that directory or remove it, or do something else that causes problems. Therefore, the only correct way to write code that tries to create a directory and determines whether it succeeds is to actually issue the mkdir command and check the value it returned. Which is what the constructs above do.
A shortcut like
- mkdir $directory or
- - d $directory or
- say "cannot create directory: $directory"
is just a consequence. Of course, you can still object to using it for stylistic reasons, but at least the construct makes sense once you know its origins.
Programmers who are unfamiliar with the paradigm of mixing statements and expressions, who have never seen any but the simplest of Bourne shell scripts, who have only been given programming tasks in which their program calls all the shots and nothing else can interfere, have never encountered a reason to treat statements and expressions as the same thing. They will be taken aback by a construct like this. I can't read this , they will mutter, it's incomprehensible gibberish . And if Perl is the first language they've seen that allows it, they will blame Perl. Only because they were never subjected to a large amount of Bourne shell scripting. Once you can read that, you can read anything ; Perl will look pretty tame in comparison.
Similar reasons can be given for most of the other syntactical freedom in Perl. I must say, Perl sometimes seems to make a point of being quirky, and I find some of the resulting oddities hard to justify, but they do make sense in context. The overall motivation is compactness. In scripting, where you type a lot and throw away a lot, the ability to write compact code is a great virtue.
Due to these syntactic quirks, Perl got a reputation for being a write-only language - meaning that when programmer A is faced with programmer B 's code, B may have used all kinds of idioms that A is unfamiliar with, causing delays for A . There is some truth to this, but the problem is exaggerated: syntax is the first thing you notice about a program, which is why it sticks out, but it's pretty superficial: new syntax really isn't so hard to learn.
So I'm not really convinced Perl's syntactic freedom is such a bad thing, except that people tend to blow it out of proportion.
However, Perl is also very free semantically : it is a truly dynamic language, allowing programmers to do all kinds of things that stricter languages forbid. For instance, I can monkey-patch functions and methods in arbitrary code that I'm using. This can make it very hard for programmers to understand how a piece of code is working, or whether it is working as intended.
This becomes more important when a software system grows larger or when others than the original author start to rely on it. The code doesn't just need to work, but it must be understandable to others. Consequently, in large, stable code bases, compactness and freedom of expression are less important than consistency, a smooth learning curve for beginners, and protection against routine errors. Therefore, many software development teams prefer languages such as Java, with its very limited syntactic freedom and strict compile-time type checking. Perl is at the opposite end of the spectrum, with its extreme syntactic and semantic freedom.
This wouldn't be a problem if there were ways to straitjacket Perl if you wanted to; if there was a way to say: for this project, be as rigid as Java syntactically or semantically; I want as few surprises as possible in code that I didn't write. Sure enough, Perl has support for compile-time checking (
use strict
;use warnings
, and theperlcritic
utility) and consistent code formatting (theperltidy
utility), but they were added as afterthoughts and cannot come anywhere near the level of strictness a Java programmer would expect.To support that, the language needed to be redesigned from scratch, and the result would be incompatible with the original. This effort has been made, producing Perl 6, but in the meantime, many other languages sprung up and became popular for the cases Perl programmers wanted to use Perl for, and if you're going to switch to an incompatible language anyway, why not use one of those instead?
javatpoint
A module is a container which holds a group of variables and subroutines which can be used in a program. Every module has a public interface, a set of functions and variables.
To use a module into your program, require or use statement can be used, although their semantics are slightly different.
The 'require' statement loads module at runtime to avoid redundant loading of module. The 'use' statement is like require with two added properties, compile time loading and automatic importing.
Namespace is a container of a distinct set of identifiers (variables, functions). A namespace would be like name::variable .
Every piece of Perl code is in a namespace.
In the following code,
- use strict;
- use warnings;
- my $x = "Hello" ;
- $main ::x = "Bye" ;
- print "$main::x\n" ; # Bye
- print "$x\n" ; # Hello
Here are two different variables defined as x . the $main::x is a package variable and $x is a lexical variable. Mostly we use lexical variable declared with my keyword and use namespace to separate functions.
In the above code, if we won't use use strict , we'll get a warning message as
- Name "main::x" used only once: possible typo at line..
The main is the namespace of the current script and of current variable. We have not written anything and yet we are already in the 'main' namespace.
By adding 'use strict', now we got the following error,
- Global symbol "$x" requires explicit package name
In this error, we got a new word 'package'. It indicates that we forgot to use 'my' keyword before declaring variable but actually it indicates that we should provide name of the package the variable resides in.
Perl Switching namespace using package keywordLook at the following code,
- use strict;
- use warnings;
- use 5.010;
- sub hii {
- return "main" ;
- }
- package two;
- sub hii {
- return "two" ;
- }
- say main::hii(); # main
- say two::hii(); # two
- say hii(); # two
- package main;
- say main::hii(); # main
- say two::hii(); # two
- say hii(); # main
Here we are using package keyword to switch from 'main' namespace to 'two' namespace.
Calling hii() with namespaces returns respective namespaces. Like , say main::hii(); returns 'main' and say two::hii(); returns 'two'.
Calling hii() without namespace prefix, returns the function that was local to the current namespace. In first time, we were in 'two' namespace. Hence it returned 'two'. In second time, we switched the namespace using package main. Hence it returns 'main'.
May 12, 2012 | Slashdot
This title was published in hardcover in March 2005 by Apress, a relatively new member of the technical publishing world. The publisher has a Web page for the book that includes links to all of the source code in a Zip file, the table of contents in PDF format, and a form for submitting errata. The book comprises 269 pages, the majority of which are organized into 16 chapters:
Introduction (not to be confused with the true Introduction immediately preceding it),
Inspecting Variables and Getting Help, Controlling Program Execution, Debugging a Simple Command Line Program, Tracing Execution, Debugging Modules, Debugging Object-Oriented Perl, Using the Debugger As a Shell, Debugging a CGI Program, Perl Threads and Forked Processes, Debugging Regular Expressions, Debugger Customization, Optimization and Performance Hints and Tips, Command Line and GUI Debuggers, Comprehensive Command Reference, Book References and URLs.
hattmoward ( 695554 ) , Monday December 12, 2005 @02:11PM ( #14240507 )
Re:In defense of print statements ( Score: 5 , Insightful)Mark_Uplanguage ( 444809 ) , Monday December 12, 2005 @03:13PM ( #14241006 )How many times is that conditional checked at runtime? They can add up. In perl, you could have it optimized away at compile time...
sub DEBUG() { return 1; }but... TIMTOWTDI...
DEBUG and print "value of blah:", $blah, $/;
;) Re:In defense of print statements ( Score: 4 , Informative)codyk ( 857932 ) , Monday December 12, 2005 @03:20PM ( #14241071 )When debugging I emphasize the use of "warn" over "print". It's the same syntax, but the warn statements don't get spooled and therefore their timing is quicker.
This is vital when you code just plain blows up. Using "print" means that a statement which got executed before the disaster may not make it to console, thus leading you to believe that it never got executed. "warn" avoids this problem and thus leads you to the problem more accurately. It also makes it easy to globally comment out the warn statements before going releasing the code.
Re:In defense of print statements ( Score: 1 )licamell ( 778753 ) * , Monday December 12, 2005 @01:47PM ( #14240302 )Or you could just . . .
use Smart::Comments;
### Expected: "a bunch o stuff" Got: $stuff. . . and have debugging statements that are easier to write, can be turned off in one place, and don't waste efficiency checking a bunch of conditionals.
see http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Smart-Comments-1.0 .1/lib/Smart/Comments.pm [cpan.org]use strict and Data::Dumper! ( Score: 5 , Insightful)Baron von Leezard ( 675918 ) , Monday December 12, 2005 @03:22PM ( #14241092 )#!
/usr/local/bin/perl
#
# Two things that make debugging perl easy:
#use strict;
use Data::Dumper; ›Re:use strict and Data::Dumper! ( Score: 1 )[That's one freelance Perl programmer I'll have to remember never to hire.]
Seriously, I'm one of those people who use a debugger every day. Actually, when I write new code in Perl, often the first thing I do is step through it in the debugger to make sure it does what I think it should. Especially in Perl, it is very easy to accidentally do something that's a little off. With the "wait until something goes wrong before I investigate" attitude demonstrated here, you'll never know anything is amiss until some nasty bug crops up as a result. Using the debugger to sanity check my code means that I catch most bugs before they ever cause problems.
I'm sure I'm going to get some snide remarks about this approach, but really, I've been a serious Perl programmer for about eight years now, and often write moderately complex Perl programs that work perfectly the first time--run through the debugger or not. I can't say that about any other language, and it's something most people can't say about any language, let alone Perl ;)
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Matt Egan , former US Intelligence Officer (1967-2006) Answered Sep 8, 2017 · Author has 4.8k answers and 2.3m answer views
It does appear he said something very much along those lines, though I doubt it meant what it appears to mean absent the context. He made the statement not long after he became the Director of Central Intelligence, during a discussion of the fact that, to his amazement, about 80 percent of the contents of typical CIA intelligence publications was based on information from open, unclassified sources, such as newspapers and magazines.
Apparently, and reasonably, he judged that about the same proportion of Soviet intelligence products was probably based on open sources, as well. That meant that CIA disinformation programs directed at the USSR wouldn't work unless what was being disseminated by US magazines and newspapers on the same subjects comported with what the CIA was trying to sell the Soviets.
Given that the CIA could not possibly control the access to open sources of all US publications, the subjects of CIA disinformation operations had to be limited to topics not being covered by US public media. To be sure, some items of disinformation planted by the CIA in foreign publications might subsequently be discovered and republished by US media. I'm guessing the CIA would not leap to correct those items.
But that is a far cry from concluding that the CIA would (or even could) arrange that "everything the American public believes is false."
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Not that it matters. No conservative I know retains the ability to think off script, let alone rise above his indoctrination, and neither the script or their indoctrination allows this to be real.
So as far as they're concerned, it simply isn't possible.
Neither was David Stockman's admission that the idea of 'trickle down' was to bankrupt the federal government so they could finally do away with social security, while making themselves filthy rich...
Or Reagan being a traitor for negotiating with the Iranians BEFORE he was elected....
Or Bush II stealing the 2000 election....
Well...it's a LONG list....
Rael Sackey Answered Mar 16, 2019
The fact that our "leaders" continue to put our brave young men and women in harm's way, as we also kill millions of "others", and the American people stand idly by, is proof enough for me. "So and so is evil and he oppresses his people, so we need to remove him and bring democracy to such and such country!" This has been the game plan for decades. In the info age we know all this.
A convicted war criminal like Eliot Abrams is hired by a president the media and the Democrats hate and call a liar, and we suddenly suspend our disbelief, and follow blindly into another regime change war while we are buddies with many dictators around the world.
You've heard of the "Manchurian Candidate"? We are the "Manchurian Populace". They spout the aforementioned mantra, and we all turn into mindless followers of these MONSTERS! 806 views � View 3 Upvoters
Don Harmon, former intell analyst, former coll. poli sci professor. (1999-2013) Answered Jan 21, 2017 �
About two years ago, one Barbara Honneger said in Quora that she was there. But I can find no credible news source that affirms this.
It is possible that Director Casey said it without any negative significance for the American people. How?
Assume that CIA launched disinformation in a hostile country to impact them. Then international news agencies picked it up and it got published by media in the US. If the disinformation were harmless to the US, then our Federal Government would not comment and would let the disinformation stand. To repudiate it might have bad effects on national security. Would this be a case of the CIA lying to the American people? No.
Fred Landis, Investigative Reporter Answered Sep 10, 2013 �
The CIA once had influence in a number of English language publications abroad, some of which stories were reprinted in the US media. This was known as "blowback", and unintended in most cases.
The CIA fabricated a story that the Russians in Afghanistan made plastic bombs in the shape of toys, to blow up children. Casey repeated this story, knowing it to be disinformation, as fact to US journalists and politicians.
Ozgur Zeren , Author at ViaPopuli.com Answered Oct 22, 2014
He doesn't need to have said it. CIA has run many disinformation campaigns against American public. Operation Mockingbird
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Kevin Stewart , Writer Answered Nov 4 2018 · Author has 370 answers and 39.7k answer views
There is some flimsy photo evidence of someone who looked like him in Dealey Plaza, so my answer would be, "not sure." But anecdotally, there sure seems to be a large number of "coincidences" around a guy who could apparently walk across a snow covered field without leaving foot prints , so maybe.
Since the beginning, the rumored driving motive for JFK's assassination, (from both sides really) was the cluster-fuck known as "The Bay of Pigs invasion," so we'll start there. At the end of Mark Lane's book "Plausible Denial," (the account of E. Howard Hunt's ill-fated lawsuit against The Liberty Lobby) some interesting facts about the Bay of Pigs invasion were tossed out that leaves one scratching his or her head and wondering if 41 had anything to do with it. The operation was ostensibly to deliver small arms and ordnance to a (turns out to be fictional) 25,000 man rebel army that was in the Cuban hills waiting for help to depose Castro.
The US Navy supplied a couple of ships, but they were decommissioned, had their numbers scraped off, and were renamed the "Houston" and the "Barbara," (or the Spanish spelling of Barbara.) This is while 41 was living in Houston with his wife Barbara. Also, the CIA code name for the invasion was "Operation Zapata."
This while the name of 41's business was "Zapata Offshore." (Or something like that. 41 had business' using Zapata's name since his days as an oilman in Midland Texas.) The day after Kennedy's killing, a George Bush met with Army Intel. What went on in that meeting is a mystery, and the CIA unconvincingly claims that they had another guy working for them named George Bush, only he wasn't hired until 1964 and his expertise was meteorology so it's difficult to understand why they wanted to talk with him on that day. Then there's the fact that Oswald's CIA handler, a guy name Georges DeMorinshilt (sp?) had the name George (Poppy) Bush in his address book along with 41's Houston address and phone number.
Of course this is all coincidental, but consider: 41 was a failed two-term congressman who couldn't hold his seat, (in Houston Texas of all places) and yet was made by Nixon the ambassador to the UN, then Ford named him ambassador to China and the Director of the CIA. Wow! What a lucky guy.
So was he involved with the Kennedy assassination and photographed in Dealey Plaza? Don't know. I was 13 at the time, but in the intervening years, the politics in this country, especially relating to the Republican Party, have become shall we say, "Kalfkaesque."
Steven Hager , Author of "Killing Kennedy." Updated Dec 31, 2018 · Author has 1.2k answers and 1.4m answer views
There is a photo of someone who looks like him standing in front of the School Book Depository. Bush is one of the few people in America who can't remember where he was that day.
There is also a memo by J.Edgar Hoover referencing a "George Bush of the CIA" reporting on "misguided Cubans" in Dallas that day. The CIA had a safe house stuffed with Cuban agents in the Oak Cliff neighborhood, and Lee Harvey Oswald rented a room nearby shortly before the assassination took place.
Michael Tarnpoll , We came so goddamn close Answered Feb 2, 2017 · Author has 3.7k answers and 1.5m answer views
The George Bush connections to JFK's assassination
Astoundingly, Bush, the elder, claims that he does not remember where he was when Kennedy was assassinated. I do. I'll bet a dollar that you do (if old enough). Everyone above the age of fifty-five does except George H. W. Bush. He does however, remember that he was not at Dealey Plaza at the time.
It is interesting to note that photographs and videos exist showing a man who looks very much like Bush, at the site, at the time. It was not difficult to find them on line in the past. Now, they seem to have been expunged somehow, though a few blurry photos can still be found.
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Lives in Hawai'i 25.3k answer views 788 this month Christopher Story Answered Sep 1 2015 � Author has 64 answers and 25.3k answer views One could say that an ideology is a religion if and only if it is theocratic, but I find Yuval Harari's understanding of religion less arbitrary and more compelling. "Religion is any system of human norms and values that is founded on a belief in superhuman laws. Religion tells us that we must obey certain laws that were not invented by humans, and that humans cannot change at will. Some religions, such as Islam, Christianity and Hinduism, believe that these super-human laws were created by the gods. Other religions, such as Buddhism, Communism and Nazism, believe that these super-human laws are natural laws. Thus Buddhists believe in the natural laws of karma, Nazis argued that their ideology reflected the laws of natural selection, and Communists believe that they follow the natural laws of economics. No matter whether they believe in divine laws or in natural laws, all religions have exactly the same function: to give legitimacy to human norms and values, and to give stability to human institutions such as states and corporations. Without some kind of religion, it is simply impossible to maintain social order. During the modern era religions that believe in divine laws went into eclipse. But religions that believe in natural laws became ever more powerful. In the future, they are likely to become more powerful yet. Silicon Valley, for example, is today a hot-house of new techno-religions, that promise humankind paradise here on earth with the help of new technology."
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Would you fly Boeing 737 Max 8 ever again? Update Cancel
Simon Gunson , PPL aviation enthusiast Answered Mar 25, 2019 � Author has 141 answers and 981.7k answer views
No. Possibly Boeing & the FAA will solve the immediate issue, but they have destroyed Trust.
Other brands of aircraft like Airbus with AF447 established trust after their A330 aircraft plunged into the Atlantic in a mysterious accident.
With Airbus everyone saw transparency & integrity in how their accidents were investigated. How Boeing & FAA approached accident investigation destroyed public Trust.
By direct contrast in the mysterious disappearance of MH370, Boeing contributed nothing to the search effort and tried to blame the pilot or hijackers.
With the 737MAX in Lion Air and Ethiopian crashes Boeing again tried to blame pilots, poor training, poor maintenance and then when mechanical defect was proven, Boeing tried to downplay how serious the issue was and gave false assurances after Lion Air that the plane was still safe. ET302 proved otherwise.
It is no longer possible to trust the aircraft's certification. It is no longer possible to trust that safety was the overriding principle in design of the Boeing 737 MAX nor several other Boeing designs for that matter.
The Public have yet to realize that the Boeing 777 is an all electric design where in certain scenarios like electrical fire in the avionics bay, an MEC override vent opens allowing cabin air pressure to push out smoke. This silences the cabin depressurization alarms.
As an electrical failure worsens, in that scenario another system called ELMS turns off electrical power to the Air Cycle Machine which pumps pressurized air into the cabin. The result of ELMS cutting power means the override vent fails to close again and no new pressurized air maintains pressure in the cabin. Pilots get no warning.
An incident in 2007 is cited as AD 2007�07�05 by the FAA in which part but not all of this scenario played out in a B777 at altitude.
MH370 may have been the incident in which the full scenario played out, but of course Boeing is not keen for MH370 to be found and unlike Airbus which funded the search for AF447, Boeing contributed nothing to finding MH370.
It has emerged on the 737MAX that larger LEAP-1B engines were unsuited to the airframe and there is no way now to alter the airframe to balance the aircraft.
It also emerged that the choice to fit engines to this airframe have origins in a commercial decision to please Southwest Airlines and cancel the Boeing 757.
Boeing failed to provide training or training material to pilots or even advise them the existence of MCAS. There was a complex two step process required of pilots in ET302 and JT610 crashes and their QRH handbook did not explain this:
Boeing pilots had less than 40 SECONDS to over-ride automated system
The MAX is an aerodynamically unbalanced aircraft vulnerable to any sort of disruption, ranging from electrical failure, out of phase generator, faulty AOA sensor, faulty PCU failure alert, digital encoding error in the DFDAU.
Jason Eaton
Former Service Manager Studied at University of Life Lives in Sydney, Australia 564k answer views 50.7k this month Answered Mar 24, 2019 � No I wouldn't. I'm not a pilot or an aerospace technician but I am a mechanical engineer, so I know a little bit about physics and stuff.
The 737�8 is carrying engines it was never designed for, that cause it to become inherently unstable. So unstable in fact, that it can't be controlled by humans and instead relies on computer aided control to maintain the correct attitude, particularly during ascent and descent.
The MCAS system is, effectively, a band aid to fix a problem brought about by poor design philosophy. Boeing should have designed a new airframe that complements the new engines, instead of ruining a perfectly good aircraft by bolting on power units it's not designed to carry, and then trying to solve the resulting instability with software. And if that isn't bad enough, the system relies on data from just the one sensor which if it doesn't agree with, it'll force the aircraft nose down regardless of the pilots' better judgement.
That might be ok for the Eurofighter Typhoon but it's definitely not ok for fare paying passengers on a commercial jetliner.
So, no. I won't be flying on a 737�8 until it's been redesigned to fly safely. You know, like a properly designed aeroplane should. 4.8k Views � View 36 Upvoters
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What do you think of Jared Kushner getting ready to unveil his economic plan for peace in the Middle East?
Christina Fabian , lives in San Francisco Answered Feb 8
He and the rest of his family are all crooks as are most politicians. Deals are made between thieves. Wealth serves as a mask.
I wonder how much he will make! Am so sick at the lack of morals among officials all over the world. Do good because it is the right thing to do not because of the accolades. Let thereby real judge!
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John-Paul Wilson Answered Jan 21 2017
No! Of course not. Why does anyone believe this nonsense!
First off, I think by "bring peace to the Middle East" you must be referring to "solve the Israeli-Palestinian dilemma". There are numerous conflicts in the broader Middle East that make broader peace impossible.
Jared Kushner has no diplomatic experience. He doesn't seem to have any special knowledge about the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Being raised an Orthodox Jew, I think it will be impossible for the Palestinians to see him as a neutral party.
Here's something that people should have learned before the election: p... (more)
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The main benefit of Docker is that it automatically solves the problems with versioning and cross-platform deployment, as the images can be easily recombined to form any version and can run in any environment where Docker is installed. "Run anywhere" meme...
James Lee , former Software Engineer at Google (2013-2016) Answered Jul 12 · Author has 106 answers and 258.1k answer views
There are many beneifits of Docker. Firstly, I would mention the beneifits of Docker and then let you know about the future of Docker. The content mentioned here is from my recent article on Docker.
Docker Beneifits:
Docker is an open-source project based on Linux containers. It uses the features based on the Linux Kernel. For example, namespaces and control groups create containers. But are containers new? No, Google has been using it for years! They have their own container technology. There are some other Linux container technologies like Solaris Zones, LXC, etc.
These container technologies are already there before Docker came into existence. Then why Docker? What difference did it make? Why is it on the rise? Ok, I will tell you why!
Number 1: Docker offers ease of use
Taking advantage of containers wasn't an easy task with earlier technologies. Docker has made it easy for everyone like developers, system admins, architects, and more. Test portable applications are easy to build. Anyone can package an application from their laptop. He/She can then run it unmodified on any public/private cloud or bare metal. The slogan is, "build once, run anywhere"!
Number 2: Docker offers speed
Being lightweight, the containers are fast. They also consume fewer resources. One can easily run a Docker container in seconds. On the other side, virtual machines usually take longer as they go through the whole process of booting up the complete virtual operating system, every time!
Number 3: The Docker Hub
Docker offers an ecosystem known as the Docker Hub. You can consider it as an app store for Docker images. It contains many public images created by the community. These images are ready to use. You can easily search the images as per your requirements.
Number 4: Docker gives modularity and scalability
It is possible to break down the application functionality into individual containers. Docker gives this freedom! It is easy to link containers together and create your application with Docker. One can easily scale and update components independently in the future.
The Future
A lot of people come and ask me that "Will Docker eat up virtual machines?" I don't think so! Docker is gaining a lot of momentum but this won't affect virtual machines. This reason is that virtual machines are better under certain circumstances as compared to Docker. For example, if there is a requirement of running multiple applications on multiple servers, then virtual machines is a better choice. On the contrary, if there is a requirement to run multiple copies of a single application, Docker is a better choice.
Docker containers could create a problem when it comes to security because containers share the same kernel. The barriers between containers are quite thin. But I do believe that security and management improve with experience and exposure. Docker certainly has a great future! I hope that this Docker tutorial has helped you understand the basics of Containers, VM's, and Dockers. But Docker in itself is an ocean. It isn't possible to study Docker in just one article. For an in-depth study of Docker, I recommend this Docker course.
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David Polstra , Person at ReactiveOps (2016-present) Updated Oct 5, 2017 · Author has 65 answers and 53.7k answer viewsI work at ReactiveOps where we specialize in DevOps-as-a-Service and Kubernetes Consulting. One of our engineers, EJ Etherington , recently addressed this in a blog post:
"Docker is both a daemon (a process running in the background) and a client command. It's like a virtual machine but it's different in important ways. First, there's less duplication. With each extra VM you run, you duplicate the virtualization of CPU and memory and quickly run out resources when running locally. Docker is great at setting up a local development environment because it easily adds the running process without duplicating the virtualized resource. Second, it's more modular. Docker makes it easy to run multiple versions or instances of the same program without configuration headaches and port collisions. Try that in a VM!
With Docker, developers can focus on writing code without worrying about the system on which their code will run. Applications become truly portable. You can repeatably run your application on any other machine running Docker with confidence. For operations staff, Docker is lightweight, easily allowing the running and management of applications with different requirements side by side in isolated containers. This flexibility can increase resource use per server and may reduce the number of systems needed because of its lower overhead, which in turn reduces cost.
Docker has made Linux containerization technology easy to use.
There are a dozen reasons to use Docker. I'll focus here on three: consistency, speed and isolation. By consistency , I mean that Docker provides a consistent environment for your application from development all the way through production – you run from the same starting point every time. By speed , I mean you can rapidly run a new process on a server. Because the image is preconfigured and installed with the process you want to run, it takes the challenge of running a process out of the equation. By isolation , I mean that by default each Docker container that's running is isolated from the network, the file system and other running processes.
A fourth reason is Docker's layered file system. Starting from a base image, every change you make to a container or image becomes a new layer in the file system. As a result, file system layers are cached, reducing the number of repetitive steps during the Docker build process AND reducing the time it takes to upload and download similar images. It also allows you to save the container state if, for example, you need troubleshoot why a container is failing. The file system layers are like Git, but at the file system level. Each Docker image is a particular combination of layers in the same way that each Git branch is a particular combination of commits."
I hope this was helpful. If you would like to learn more, you can read the entire post: Docker Is a Valuable DevOps Tool - One That's Worth Using
Bill William , M.C.A Software and Applications & Java, SRM University, Kattankulathur (2006) Answered Jan 5, 2018
Docker is the most popular file format for Linux-based container development and deployments. If you're using containers, you're most likely familiar with the container-specific toolset of Docker tools that enable you to create and deploy container images to a cloud-based container hosting environment.
This can work great for brand-new environments, but it can be a challenge to mix container tooling with the systems and tools you need to manage your traditional IT environments. And, if you're deploying your containers locally, you still need to manage the underlying infrastructure and environment.
Portability: let's suppose in the case of Linux you have your own customized Nginx container. You can run that Nginx container anywhere, no matter it's a cloud or data center on even your own laptop as long as you have a docker engine running Linux OS.
Rollback: you can just run your previous build image and all charges will automatically roll back.
Image Simplicity: Every image has a tree hierarchy and all the child images depend upon its parent image. For example, let's suppose there is a vulnerability in docker container, you can easily identify and patch that parent image and when you will rebuild child, variability will automatically remove from the child images also.
Container Registry: You can store all images at a central location, you can apply ACLs, you can do vulnerability scanning and image signing.
Runtime: No matter you want to run thousand of container you can start all within five seconds.
Isolation: We can run hundred of the process in one Os and all will be isolated to each other.
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Ethen , Web Designer (2015-present) Answered Aug 30, 2018 · Author has 154 answers and 56.2k answer views
Docker is an open platform for every one of the developers bringing them a large number of open source venture including the arrangement open source Docker tools , and the management framework with in excess of 85,000 Dockerized applications. Docker is even today accepted to be something more than only an application stage. What's more, the compartment eco framework is proceeding to develop so quick that with such a large number of Docker devices being made accessible on the web, it starts to feel like an overwhelming undertaking when you are simply attempting to comprehend the accessible alternatives kept directly before you.
Disadvantages Of Docker
Containers don't run at bare-metal speeds.
The container ecosystem is fractured.
Persistent data storage is complicated.
Graphical applications don't work well.
Not all applications benefit from containers.
Advantages Of Docker
Swapnil Kulkarni , Engineering Lead at Persistent Systems (2018-present) Answered Nov 9, 2017 · Author has 58 answers and 24.9k answer views
- Continuous Deployment and Testing
- Multi-Cloud Platforms
- Environment Standardization and Version Control
- Isolation
- Security
From my personal experience, I think people just want to containerize everything without looking at how the architectural considerations change which basically ruins the technology.
e.g. How will someone benefit from creating FAT container images of a size of a VM when the basic advantage of docker is to ship lightweight images.
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dmond Lau , former Engineer at Google (2006-2008) Answered Aug 26 2010 ·
Upvoted by Venkata Rajesh Mekala , Engineer at Google (2016-present) and Piyush Khemka , worked at Google
Google schedules their performance reviews twice a year -- one major one at the end of the year and a smaller one mid-year. This answer is based on my experience as a Google engineer, and the performance review process may differ slightly for other positions.
Each review consists of a self-assessment, a set of peer reviews, and if you're applying for a promotion, reasons for why should be promoted to the next level. Each review component is submitted via an online tool. Around performance review time, it's not uncommon to see many engineers taking a day or more just to write the reviews through the tool.
In the self-assessment, you summarize your major accomplishments and contributions since the last review. You're also asked to describe your strengths and areas for improvement; typically you'd frame them with respect to the job expectations described by your career ladder. For example, if you're a senior engineer, you might write about your strengths being the tech lead of your current project.
For peer reviews, employees are expected to choose around 3-8 peers (fellow engineers, product managers, or others that can comment on their work) to write their peer reviews. Oftentimes, managers will also assign additional individuals to write peer reviews for one of their reports, particularly newer or younger reports who may be less familiar with the process.
Peers comment on your projects and contributions, on your strengths, and on areas for improvement. The peer reviews serve three purposes:
An additional part of the peer review is indicating a list of engineers that are working below the level of the peer and a list of engineers that are working above the level of the peer. These factor into a total ordering of engineers within a team and are used to determine cutoffs for bonuses and promotions.
- They allow your peers to give you direct feedback on your code quality, your teamwork, etc., and to give direct feedback to your manager that you don't feel comfortable directly sharing with the employee.
- Along with the self-assessment, they feed into your manager's decision regarding your performance rating, which determines your yearly bonus multiplier.
- If you apply for a promotion, the peer reviews also become part of your promotion application packet.
If you're applying for a promotion during a performance review cycle, you're given an additional opportunity to explain why you should be promoted. A key part to a strong application is explaining with specific details and examples how you're achieving and contributing based on the expectations of the next level in the job ladder.
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Pretty naive, pro-management, view...
Reviews should never (ever ever ever) be a surprise to either party (ever). If there is something in your review that was never brought up before, ask why your manager waited until now to bring it up instead of addressing it in the moment. Have an uncomfortable discussion (yikes! YES. have an uncomfortable dialogue about it). Uncomfortable doesn't mean ugly or yelling or fist pounding. We don't like conflict, so we don't like asking people to explain why they chose to act in a certain way when we feel wronged. Get over that discomfort (respectfully). You have every right to ask why something was put in your review if it was a surprise.
Does the company as a whole actually give a crap about reviews? Are reviews used to make decisions on what departments to trim/cut and who is at the bottom? Are they used for financial decisions? (none of those uses is good by the way). Or do they sit in a file gathering dust? Has anyone ever actually pulled out someone's performance review from 2 years ago and taken action on it? If none of these things are true, while the bad review is still crappy, perhaps it's less of an issue overall.
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If the comments are more behavioral or personal, this will be tougher. "Johnny rarely demonstrates a positive attitude" or "Johnny is difficult to work with" or "Johnny doesn't seem to be a team player" - for statements like this, you must ask for a detailed explanation. Not to defend yourself (at first anyway) but to understand. What did they mean exactly by the attitude or difficulty or team player? Ask for specific examples. "Please tell me when I demonstrated a bad attitude because I really want to understand how it comes across that way". BUT you MUST listen for the answer. If you are not willing to hear the answer and then work on it, then the entire exercise is a waste of time. You have a right to ask for these specifics. If your boss hesitates on giving examples, your response is then "How can I correct this issue if I don't know what the issue is?"
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Lastly, if all of this fails and you're not given a chance to discuss the review and you truly believe it is wrong, ask for a meeting with HR to start that discussion. But be sure that you come across with the desire to come to an understanding by considering all the issues together professionally. And don't grumble and complain about it to colleagues unless everyone else is getting the same bad review treatment. This situation is between you and your manager and you should treat it as such or it can backfire.
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David Spearman , I operate by Crocker's Rules. Answered Feb 26, 2015 Yes if and only if you have documentation that some factual information in the review is false. Even then, you need to be careful to be as polite as possible. Anything else is unlikely to get you anywhere and may make your situation much worse.
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Jonathan Stade , RH Linux Admin (now Linux/Storage Architect) (2000-present) Answered Jan 10 2017
My answer is slightly dated, I did my RHCE on RHEL4 so it is now expired. At the time, the exam was offered as a combination RHCSA and RHCE exam, where if you received less than 80% you received RHCSA designation and over 80%, RHCE. I took the 4 day bootcamp before the exam as my prep. There were a range of people in the course, from yearlings like you to people with 10+ years of sysadmin work under their belt. Only 2 of us out of 7 got RHCE, although one of the people at the exam didn't take the course (he was disappointed, as he was quite experienced and thought he'd get the advanced cert), but everyone passed and got RHCSA at least.
The main difference between the RHCEs and the RHCSAs was speed. The test required a lot of work to be done fast and without error. I still supervise and work with hands-on admins, and I think if you've been working on it and do some studying you'll have no trouble with RHCSA.
They actually put us under NDA for the exam so I can't talk about what was that old one, but it's pretty well documented what the required skills are, so just make sure you're fresh and are ready to troubleshoot and build cleanly and quickly.
Michael Pagan , Senior Solutions Architect at Red Hat (2012-present) Answered Sep 25 2017 · Upvoted by Alexander Todorov , worked at Red Hat
If you have any kind of background in Linux, it is not too difficult. There are a number of books withexample test scenarios, and if you go through those and practice them for a few evenings you will be fine.
The RHCSA questions are not terribly hard, and the exam is "performance-based," meaning you are given tasks to accomplish on an actual RHEL system, and you are graded by the end state of the system. If you accomplish the task, you get credit for that question. It is not a multiple-choice exam.
Gautam K , Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) Updated Jun 22 2016 · Author has 281 answers and 902.3k answer views
RHCSA is not so hard, but You need to know the Exam Environment.
According to my experience, You will get 20-22 questions along of these:
You need to prepare:-
File Systems
User Administration
Archiving (Compression)
Finding & Processing
Job Scheduling
LVM
Swap
LDAP
ACL PermissionSuraj Lulla , Certified RHCSA Red Hat 7, Co-founder Websiters.in Answered Aug 10, 2016 · Author has 65 answers and 94.3k answer views
RHCSA certification is not at all tough if you're good at handling linux. If you're good at the following, you're ready to rock.
- Resetting password of the virtual machine's user.
- Changing SELinux's status (enforcing).
- Creating a new kernel.
- Creation of cron jobs.
- Accessing directories, adding users + groups and giving them permissions via Terminal.
- NTP - your timezone.
- Using yum install and vi editor.
- Creating different types of compressed archives via terminal.
- Time consuming ones:
- LDAP
- Logical volumes
Once you're fast enough on the above mentioned simple stuff, you can surely give it a try.
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Jason Perno , Cyber Security Specialist and Forensic Analyst at NNIT A/S (2017-present)
I left the United States because I married a Danish woman. We tried living in New York, but we struggled a lot. She was not used to being without the normal help she gets from the Danish system. We... (more) Loading
I left the United States because I married a Danish woman. We tried living in New York, but we struggled a lot. She was not used to being without the normal help she gets from the Danish system. We made the move a few years ago, and right away our lives started to improve dramatically.
Now I am working in IT, making a great money, with private health insurance. Yes I pay high taxes, but the benefits outweigh the costs. The other things is that the Danish people trust in the government and trust in each other. There is no need for #metoo or blacklivesmatter, because the people already treat each other with respect.
While I now enjoy an easier life in Denmark, I sit back and watch the country I fiercely love continue to fall to pieces because of divisive rhetoric and the corporate greed buying out our government.
Trump is just a symptom of the problem. If people could live in the US as they did 50 years ago, when a single person could take care of their entire family, and an education didn't cost so much, there would be no need for this revolution. But wages have been stagnant since the 70's and the wealth has shifted upwards from the middle class to the top .001 percent. This has been decades in the making. You can't blame Obama or Trump for this.
Meanwhile, I sit in Denmark watching conservatives blame liberalism, immigrants, poor people, and socialism, while Democrats blame rednecks, crony capitalism, and republican greed. Everything is now "fake news". Whether it be CNN or FOX, no one knows who to trust anymore. Everything has become a conspiracy. Our own president doesn't even trust his own FBI or CIA. And he pushes conspiracy theories to mobilize his base. I am glad to be away from all that, and living in a much healthier environment, where people aren't constantly attacking one another.
Maybe if the US can get it's healthcare and education systems together, I would consider moving back one day. But it would also be nice if people learned to trust one another, and trust in the system again. Until then, I prefer to be around emotionally intelligent people, who are objective, and don't fall for every piece of propaganda. Not much of that happening in America these days. The left has gone off the deep end playing identity politics and focusing way too much on implementing government mandated Social Justice. Meanwhile the conservatives are using any propaganda and lying necessary to push their corporate backed agenda. This is all at the cost of our environment, our free trade agreements, peace treaties, and our European allies. Despite how much I love my country, I breaks my heart to say, I don't see myself returning any time soon I'm afraid.
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Hi monks, I'm new to the board and I've been struggling with this problem for some time now. Hope someone can give me some suggestions... I am trying to read a binary file with the following format: The 4-byte integer and (4 byte float) are in the native format of the machine.
*** First record (4 byte integer) - byte size of record (4*N) (f77 header) (4 byte float) .. value 1 (4 byte float) .. value 2 ... (4 byte float) .. value N N = number of grid points in the field (4 byte integer) .. byte size of record (4*N) (f77 trailer) **** Second record (4 byte integer) - byte size of record (4*N) (f77 header) (4 byte float) .. value 1 (4 byte float) .. value 2 ... (4 byte float) .. value N N = number of grid points in the field (4 byte integer) .. byte size of record (4*N) (f77 trailer) [download]The data is meteorological data (temperature in degrees K) on a 614 x 428 grid. I tried coding up a reader for this, but am getting nonsensical results. Here is the code:my $out_file = "/dicast2-papp/DICAST/smg_data/" . $gfn . ".bin"; #path + to binary file my $template = "if262792i"; #binary layout (integer 262792 floats in + teger) as described in the format documentation above (not sure if th + is is correct) my $record_length = 4; #not sure what record_length is supposed to rep + resent (number of values in 1st record, or should it be length of var + iable [4 bytes]) my (@fields,$record); open (FH, $out_files ) || die "couldn't open $out_files\n"; until (eof(FH)) { my $val_of_read = read (FH, $record, $record_length) == $record_ + length or die "short read\n"; @fields = unpack ($template, $record); print "field = $fields[0]\n"; } [download]The results I get when I print out the first field are non-sensical (negative numbers, etc). I think the issue is that I'm not properly setting up my template and record length. Also, how do I find out what is "the native format of the machine"?
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davorg (Chancellor) on Nov 16, 2006 at 15:53 UTC
Re: reading binary files with Perl
You can find out more about how "read" works by reading its documentation .
From there, you'll find out that the third parameter (your $record_length) is the number of bytes to read from the filehandle[1]. As your template is set up to handle all of the data for one record in one go, you'll need to read one record's worth of data. That's 4 * (1 + 262792 + 1) bytes of data. Currently you're reading four bytes, and the template is looking for a lot more.
The documention for unpack says this:
If there are more pack codes or if the repeat count of a field or a group is larger than what the remainder of the input string allows, the result is not well defined: in some cases, the repeat count is decreased, or unpack() will produce null strings or zeroes, or terminate with an error. If the input string is longer than one described by the TEMPLATE, the rest is ignored.[1] Actually, the number of _characters_ but let's assume single byte characters for the time being.
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-- Chip Salzenbergikegami (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 16:04 UTC
Re: reading binary files with Perl
Depending on your OS, another problem is the lack of binmode . Add binmode(FH) after the open so that Perl doesn't mess with the data. Not all OSes require binmode , but it's safe to use binmode on all OSes.
Oh and I'd use l instead of i . i is not guaranteed to be 4 bytes.
jpk1292000 (Initiate) on Nov 16, 2006 at 19:09 UTC
Re^2: reading binary files with Perl
by jpk1292000 (Initiate) on Nov 16, 2006 at 19:09 UTC
Got it working. Thanks for help. My problem was two-fold. I wasn't using the correct record length, and I wasn't using bin mode. Once I fixed these two issues, it worked.
BrowserUk (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 16:13 UTC
Re: reading binary files with Perl
Something like this should do it. See the docs and/or ask for anything you do not understand.
#! perl -slw use strict; my @grid; open my $fh, '<:raw', 'the file' or die $!; while( 1 ) { my( $recSize, $dummy, $record ); sysread( $fh, $recSize, 4 ) or last; $recSize = unpack 'N', $recSize; ##(*) sysread( $fh, $record, $recSize ) == $recSize or die "truncated record"; sysread( $fh, $dummy, 4 ) == 4 and unpack( 'N', $dummy ) == $recSize ##(*) or die "missing or invalid trailer"; ## (*) You may need V depending upon which platform your file was + created on push @grid, [ unpack 'N*', $record ]; } close $fh; ## @grid should now contain your data ## Addressable in the usual $grid[ X ][ Y ] manner. ## Though it might be $array[ Y ][ X ] ## I forget which order FORTRAN writes arrays in? [download]
Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. Lingua non convalesco, consenesco et abolesco. -- Rule 1 has a caveat! -- Who broke the cabal? "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.ikegami (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 16:29 UTC
Re^2: reading binary files with Perl
by ikegami (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 16:29 UTCBrowserUk (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 19:17 UTC
Re^3: reading binary files with Perl
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 19:17 UTC
Why sysread over read? The only difference is that read is buffered, which is a good thing. I'd replace sysread with read.Partially habit. On my system, at least at some point in the past, the interaction between Perl buffering and the OS caching was less productive that using the systems caching alone.
Partially because in perlfunc sysread it says:
It bypasses buffered IO, so mixing this with other kinds of reads, print, write, seek, tell, or eof can cause confusion because the perlio or stdio layers usually buffers data.And since I used '<:raw' , which (as I understand it, bypasses PerlIO layers), it seems prudent to avoid buffered IO calls.
N* for floats?Mea culpa. The code is untested as I don't have a relevant data file, and could not mock one up because I do not know what system it was written on.
Basically, the code I posted was intended as an example of how to proceed, not production ready copy&paste.
I don't think a smaller than expected return value is an error. It simply means you need to call the read function again.I think that's true when reading from a stream device--terminal, socket or pipe--but for a disk file, if you do not get the requested number of bytes, (I believe) it means end of file.
I'm open to correction on that, but I do not see the circumstances in which a disk read would fail to return the requested number of bytes if they are available?
Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. Lingua non convalesco, consenesco et abolesco. -- Rule 1 has a caveat! -- Who broke the cabal? "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.ikegami (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 21:12 UTC
Re^4: reading binary files with Perl
by ikegami (Pope) on Nov 16, 2006 at 21:12 UTCjmcnamara (Monsignor) on Nov 16, 2006 at 16:33 UTC
Re: reading binary files with Perl
Try something like the following:#!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; open FILE, 'file.bin' or die "Couldn't open file: $!\n"; binmode FILE; my $record = 1; my $buffer = ''; while ( read( FILE, $buffer, 4 ) ) { my $record_length = unpack 'N', $buffer; my $num_fields = $record_length / 4; printf "Record %d. Number of fields = %d\n", $record, $num_fie + lds; for (1 .. $num_fields ) { read( FILE, $buffer, 4 ); my $temperature = unpack 'f', $buffer; # Or if the above gives the wrong result try this: #my $temperature = unpack 'f', reverse $buffer; print "\t", $temperature, "\n"; } # Read but ignore record trailer. read( FILE, $buffer, 4 ); print "\n"; $record++; } __END__ [download] If the number of fields is wrong subtitute unpack 'V' for unpack 'N' . If the float is wrong try the reverse ed value that is commented out.Update: Added read for trailer.
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Brian G ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:12
I am seeing both of them used in this script I am trying to debug and the literature is just not clear. Can someone demystify this for me?J.J. ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:24
Dynamic Scoping. It is a neat concept. Many people don't use it, or understand it.Basically think of
my
as creating and anchoring a variable to one block of {}, A.K.A. scope.my $foo if (true); # $foo lives and dies within the if statement.So a
my
variable is what you are used to. whereas with dynamic scoping $var can be declared anywhere and used anywhere. So withlocal
you basically suspend the use of that global variable, and use a "local value" to work with it. Solocal
creates a temporary scope for a temporary variable.$var = 4; print $var, "\n"; &hello; print $var, "\n"; # subroutines sub hello { local $var = 10; print $var, "\n"; &gogo; # calling subroutine gogo print $var, "\n"; } sub gogo { $var ++; }This should print:
4 10 11 4Brad Gilbert ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:50
You didn't call the subroutines. – Brad Gilbert Sep 24 '08 at 20:50brian d foy ,Sep 25, 2008 at 18:23
Don't conditionally declare lexical variables: it has undefined behavior. – brian d foy Sep 25 '08 at 18:23Jeremy Bourque ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:26
The short answer is thatmy
marks a variable as private in a lexical scope, andlocal
marks a variable as private in a dynamic scope.It's easier to understand
my
, since that creates a local variable in the usual sense. There is a new variable created and it's accessible only within the enclosing lexical block, which is usually marked by curly braces. There are some exceptions to the curly-brace rule, such as:foreach my $x (@foo) { print "$x\n"; }But that's just Perl doing what you mean. Normally you have something like this:
sub Foo { my $x = shift; print "$x\n"; }In that case,
$x
is private to the subroutine and it's scope is enclosed by the curly braces. The thing to note, and this is the contrast tolocal
, is that the scope of amy
variable is defined with respect to your code as it is written in the file. It's a compile-time phenomenon.To understand
local
, you need to think in terms of the calling stack of your program as it is running. When a variable islocal
, it is redefined from the point at which thelocal
statement executes for everything below that on the stack, until you return back up the stack to the caller of the block containing thelocal
.This can be confusing at first, so consider the following example.
sub foo { print "$x\n"; } sub bar { local $x; $x = 2; foo(); } $x = 1; foo(); # prints '1' bar(); # prints '2' because $x was localed in bar foo(); # prints '1' again because local from foo is no longer in effectWhen
foo
is called the first time, it sees the global value of$x
which is 1. Whenbar
is called andlocal $x
runs, that redefines the global$x
on the stack. Now whenfoo
is called frombar
, it sees the new value of 2 for$x
. So far that isn't very special, because the same thing would have happened without the call tolocal
. The magic is that whenbar
returns we exit the dynamic scope created bylocal $x
and the previous global$x
comes back into scope. So for the final call offoo
,$x
is 1.You will almost always want to use
my
, since that gives you the local variable you're looking for. Once in a blue moon,local
is really handy to do cool things.Drew Stephens ,Sep 24, 2008 at 22:58
Quoting from Learning Perl :But local is misnamed, or at least misleadingly named. Our friend Chip Salzenberg says that if he ever gets a chance to go back in a time machine to 1986 and give Larry one piece of advice, he'd tell Larry to call local by the name "save" instead.[14] That's because local actually will save the given global variable's value away, so it will later automatically be restored to the global variable. (That's right: these so-called "local" variables are actually globals!) This save-and-restore mechanism is the same one we've already seen twice now, in the control variable of a foreach loop, and in the @_ array of subroutine parameters.
So,
local
saves a global variable's current value and then set it to some form of empty value. You'll often see it used to slurp an entire file, rather than leading just a line:my $file_content; { local $/; open IN, "foo.txt"; $file_content = <IN>; }Calling
local $/
sets the input record separator (the value that Perl stops reading a "line" at) to an empty value, causing the spaceship operator to read the entire file, so it never hits the input record separator.Aristotle Pagaltzis ,Sep 25, 2008 at 23:25
I can't believe no one has linked to Mark Jason Dominus' exhaustive treatises on the matter:
- Coping with Scoping
- And afterwards, if you want to know what
local
is good for after all, Seven Useful Uses oflocal
dan1111 ,Jan 28, 2013 at 11:21
Word of warning: both of these articles are quite old, and the second one (by the author's own warning) is obsolete. It demonstrates techniques for localization of file handles that have been superseded by lexical file handles in modern versions of Perl. – dan1111 Jan 28 '13 at 11:21Floegipoky ,Jan 23, 2015 at 16:51
As in Clinton was President (of the US) when the first was written – Floegipoky Jan 23 '15 at 16:51Steve Jessop ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:21
http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsub.html#Private-Variables-via-my()Unlike dynamic variables created by the local operator, lexical variables declared with my are totally hidden from the outside world, including any called subroutines. This is true if it's the same subroutine called from itself or elsewhere--every call gets its own copy.
http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsub.html#Temporary-Values-via-local()
A local modifies its listed variables to be "local" to the enclosing block, eval, or do FILE --and to any subroutine called from within that block. A local just gives temporary values to global (meaning package) variables. It does not create a local variable. This is known as dynamic scoping. Lexical scoping is done with my, which works more like C's auto declarations.
I don't think this is at all unclear, other than to say that by "local to the enclosing block", what it means is that the original value is restored when the block is exited.
dlamblin ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:14
Well Google really works for you on this one: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=94007From the link:
Quick summary: 'my' creates a new variable, 'local' temporarily amends the value of a variable.
ie, 'local' temporarily changes the value of the variable , but only within the scope it exists in.
Generally use my, it's faster and doesn't do anything kind of weird.
Kevin Crumley ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:27
While this may be true, it's basically a side effect of the fact that "local"s are intended to be visible down the callstack, while "my"s are not. And while overriding the value of a global may be the main reason for using "local", there's no reason you can't use "local" to define a new variable. – Kevin Crumley Sep 24 '08 at 20:271800 INFORMATION ,Jan 21, 2009 at 10:02
local does not actually define a new variable. For example, try using local to define a variable when option explicit is enabled. You need to use "our" or "my" to define a new global or local variable. "local" is correctly used to give a variable a new value – 1800 INFORMATION Jan 21 '09 at 10:021800 INFORMATION ,Jan 29, 2009 at 10:45
Jesus did I really say option explicit to refer to the Perl feature. I meant obviously "use strict". I've obviously not coded in Perl in a while – 1800 INFORMATION Jan 29 '09 at 10:45catfood ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:18
Fromman perlsub
:Unlike dynamic variables created by the local operator, lexical variables declared with my are totally hidden from the outside world, including any called subroutines.
So, oversimplifying,
my
makes your variable visible only where it's declared.local
makes it visible down the call stack too. You will usually want to usemy
instead oflocal
.Michael Carman ,Sep 25, 2008 at 2:00
Your confusion is understandable. Lexical scoping is fairly easy to understand but dynamic scoping is an unusual concept. The situation is made worse by the namesmy
andlocal
being somewhat inaccurate (or at least unintuitive) for historical reasons.
my
declares a lexical variable -- one that is visible from the point of declaration until the end of the enclosing block (or file). It is completely independent from any other variables with the same name in the rest of the program. It is private to that block.
local
, on the other hand, declares a temporary change to the value of a global variable. The change ends at the end of the enclosing scope, but the variable -- being global -- is visible anywhere in the program.As a rule of thumb, use
my
to declare your own variables andlocal
to control the impact of changes to Perl's built-in variables.For a more thorough description see Mark Jason Dominus' article Coping with Scoping .
skiphoppy ,Sep 25, 2008 at 18:52
local is an older method of localization, from the times when Perl had only dynamic scoping. Lexical scoping is much more natural for the programmer and much safer in many situations. my variables belong to the scope (block, package, or file) in which they are declared.local variables instead actually belong to a global namespace. If you refer to a variable $x with local, you are actually referring to $main::x, which is a global variable. Contrary to what it's name implies, all local does is push a new value onto a stack of values for $main::x until the end of this block, at which time the old value will be restored. That's a useful feature in and of itself, but it's not a good way to have local variables for a host of reasons (think what happens when you have threads! and think what happens when you call a routine that genuinely wants to use a global that you have localized!). However, it was the only way to have variables that looked like local variables back in the bad old days before Perl 5. We're still stuck with it.
andy ,Sep 24, 2008 at 20:18
"my" variables are visible in the current code block only. "local" variables are also visible where ever they were visible before. For example, if you say "my $x;" and call a sub-function, it cannot see that variable $x. But if you say "local $/;" (to null out the value of the record separator) then you change the way reading from files works in any functions you call.In practice, you almost always want "my", not "local".
Abhishek Kulkarni ,Apr 10, 2013 at 5:44
Look at the following code and its output to understand the difference.our $name = "Abhishek"; sub sub1 { print "\nName = $name\n"; local $name = "Abhijeet"; &sub2; &sub3; } sub sub2 { print "\nName = $name\n"; } sub sub3 { my $name = "Abhinav"; print "\nName = $name\n"; } &sub1;Output is :
Name = Abhishek Name = Abhijeet Name = Abhinavphreakre ,Oct 1, 2008 at 16:01
dinomite's example of using local to redefine the record delimiter is the only time I have ran across in a lot of perl programming. I live in a niche perl environment [security programming], but it really is a rarely used scope in my experience.Saravanarajan
add a comment,Aug 6, 2009 at 8:12&s; sub s() { local $s="5"; &b; print $s; } sub b() { $s++; }The above script prints 6.
But if we change local to my it will print 5.
This is the difference. Simple.
,
I think the easiest way to remember it is this way. MY creates a new variable. LOCAL temporarily changes the value of an existing variable.
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Rancho ,Apr 3, 2014 at 17:13
I have a variable $x which currently has a local scope in A.pm and I want to use the output of $x (which is usually PASSED/FAILED) in an if else statement in B.pmSomething like below
A.pm:
if (condition1) { $x = 'PASSED'; } if (condition2) { $x = 'FAILED'; }B.pm:
if ($x=='PASSED') { $y=1; } else { $y=0; }I tried using
require ("A.pm");
in B.pm but it gives me an errorglobal symbol requires an explicit package name
which means it is not able to read the variable from require. Any inputs would helpBorodin ,Apr 3, 2014 at 17:27
This sounds like a very strange configuration. YourA.pm
has executable code as well as values that you want to access externally. Is that code in subroutines? Are you aware that any code outside a subroutine will be executed the first time the external coderequires
the file? You need to show us the contents ofA.pm
or we can't help you much. – Borodin Apr 3 '14 at 17:27Jonathan Leffler ,Apr 3, 2014 at 17:29
Normally, you'd return$x
from a function defined in A and called in B; this is a much cleaner, less pathological way of getting at the information. – Jonathan Leffler Apr 3 '14 at 17:29Rancho ,Apr 3, 2014 at 17:41
Yes the above if conditions in A.pm are in a subroutine. Is there a way I could read that subroutine outside to extract the value of $x? – Rancho Apr 3 '14 at 17:41ysth ,Apr 3, 2014 at 18:04
there is a core module named B - avoid using that name even in examples. – ysth Apr 3 '14 at 18:04David W. ,Apr 3, 2014 at 19:08
I have a variable $x which currently has a local scope in A.pm and I want to use the output of $x (which is usually PASSED/FAILED) in an if else statement in B.pm
We could show you how to do this, but this is a really bad, awful idea.
There's a reason why variables are scoped, and even global variables declared with
our
and notmy
are still scoped to a particular package.Imagine someone modifying one of your packages, and not realizing there's a direct connection to a variable name
$x
. They could end up making a big mess without even knowing why.What I would HIGHLY recommend is that you use functions (subroutines) to pass around the value you need:
Local/A.pmpackage Local::A; use strict; use warnings; use lib qw($ENV{HOME}); use Exporter qw(import); our @EXPORT_OK = qw(set_condition); sub set_condition { if ( condition1 ) { return "PASSED"; elsif ( condition2 ) { return "FALSED"; else { return "Huh?"; } 1;Here's what I did:
Local/B.pm
- I can't use
B
as a module name because that's an actual module. Therefore, I usedLocal::B
andLocal::A
instead. TheLocal
module namespace is undefined in CPAN and never used. You can always declare your own modules under this module namespace.- The
use lib
allows me to specify where to find my modules.- The
package
command gives this module a completely separate namespace. This way, variables inA.pm
don't affectB.pm
.use Exporter
allows me to export subroutines from one module to another.@EXPORT_OK
are the names of the subroutines I want to export.- Finally, there's a subroutine that runs my test for me. Instead of setting a variable in
A.pm
, I return the value from this subroutine.- Check your logic. Your logic is set that
$x
isn't set if neither condition is true. You probably don't want that.- Your module can't return a zero as the last value. Thus, it's common to always put
1;
as the last line of a module.package Local::B; use lib qw($ENV{HOME}); use Local::A qw(set_condition); my $condition = set_contition(); my $y; if ( $condition eq 'PASSED' ) { # Note: Use `eq` and not `==` because THIS IS A STRING! $y = 1; else { $y = 0; } 1;
- Again, I define a separate module namespace with
package
.- I
use Local::A qw(set_condition);
to export myset_condition
subroutine intoB.pm
. Now, I can call this subroutine without prefixing it withLocal::A
all of the time.- I set a locally scoped variable called
$condition
to the status of my condition.- Now, I can set
$y
from the results of the subroutineset_condition
. No messy need to export variables from one package to another.If all of this looks like mysterious magic, you need to read about Perl modules . This isn't light summer reading. It can be a bit impenetrable, but it's definitely worth the struggle. Or, get Learning Perl and read up on Chapter 11.
Rancho ,Apr 23, 2014 at 16:57
Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. Appreciate it – Rancho Apr 23 '14 at 16:57Miller ,Apr 3, 2014 at 17:21
After yourequire A;
, you can then access the variable by giving it an explicit package name like the error message says.in B.pm:
my $y = $A::x eq 'PASSED ? 1 : 0The variable
$x
will have to be declared withour
instead ofmy
.Finally, use
eq
instead of==
for doing string comparisons.Borodin ,Apr 3, 2014 at 17:24
... as long as$x
isn't a lexical variable declared withmy
– Borodin Apr 3 '14 at 17:24
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Variable Scoping in Perl: the basics
print "$Robert has canned $name's sorry butt\n"; I tried running this in PERL and it yelled at me saying that it didn't like $name::s. I changed this line of code to: print "$Robert has canned $name sorry butt\n"; And it worked fine 0_o An error in the tutorial perhaps?
Aristotle (Chancellor) on Dec 24, 2004 at 01:50 UTC
Re^2: Variable Scoping in Perl: the basics
by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Dec 24, 2004 at 01:50 UTCTry
print "$Robert has canned ${name}'s sorry butt\n"; [download]The apostrophe is the old-style package separator, still supported, so $name's is indeed equivalent to $name::s . By putting the curlies in there, you tell Perl exactly which part of the string to consider part of the variable name, and which part to consider a literal value.
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on Nov 10, 2017 at 16:52 UTC ( # 1203128 = perlquestion : print w/replies , xml ) Need Help?? dave741 has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl use strict; foreach my $name ('A', 'B') { my $res = 'Init' if (0); if (defined ($res)) { print "$name: res = $res\n"; } else { print "$name: res is undef\n" } $res = 'Post'; } [download]
Result:
A: res is undef
B: res = PostAs $res is under lexical variable scope, shouldn't it disappear at the bottom of the block
and be recreated by the second pass, producing an identical result?
Bug? Feature? Saving CPU?perl -v
This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-thread-multiThoughts?
Davehaukex (Monsignor) on Nov 10, 2017 at 16:55 UTC
Re: Variable Scope (updated)From perlsyn :
NOTE: The behaviour of a my , state , or our modified with a statement modifier conditional or loop construct (for example, my $x if ... ) is undefined . The value of the my variable may be undef , any previously assigned value, or possibly anything else. Don't rely on it. Future versions of perl might do something different from the version of perl you try it out on. Here be dragons.Update: Heh, Eily and I posted within 4 seconds of another ;-)
Update 2: Historically, sometimes this "feature/bug" was (ab)used to make variables " static ", just two references of many found with a quick search: Unusual Closure Behaviour , Re: Making a variable in a sub retain its value between calls . The better ways to do this are described in Persistent Private Variables :
BEGIN { my $static_val = 0; sub gimme_another { return ++$static_val; } } # - OR - in Perl >=5.10: use feature 'state'; sub gimme_another { state $static_val = 0; return ++$static_val; } [download]But nowadays, anywhere you see the pattern, it should be considered a bug, see "Using my() in false conditional" in perldeprecation . On Perl 5.26:
$ perl -e 'my $x if 0' Deprecated use of my() in false conditional. This will be a fatal erro r in Perl 5.30 at -e line 1. [download]Update 3: Apparently, the warning " Deprecated use of my() in false conditional " first showed up in Perl 5.10 and became a default warning in 5.12. Note that your Perl 5.10.1 is now more than eight years old, and you should upgrade. Also, you should generally use warnings; ( Use strict and warnings ).
Eily (Parson) on Nov 10, 2017 at 16:55 UTC
Re: Variable ScopeAccording to perlsyn :
NOTE: The behaviour of a my, state, or our modified with a statement modifier conditional or loop construct (for example, my $x if ... ) is undefined. The value of the my variable may be undef, any previously assigned value, or possibly anything else. Don't rely on it. Future versions of perl might do something different from the version of perl you try it out on. Here be dragons.So neither bug nor feature, third option.AnomalousMonk (Chancellor) on Nov 10, 2017 at 17:07 UTC
Re: Variable ScopeSee the state feature from Perl 5.10 onward for similar "static variable" behavior that is well-defined.
Give a man a fish : <%-{-{-{-<
- Comment on Variable Scope
- Download Code
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DavidO ,May 22, 2013 at 2:04
I'm new to Perl programming. I've noticed that every time I want to declare a new variable, I should use themy
keyword before that variable ifstrict
andwarnings
are on (which I was told to do, for reasons also I do not know.)So how to declare a variable in perl without using
my
and without getting warnings?My question is: Is it possible to declare a variable without using
my
and without omitting theuse strict;
anduse warnings;
and without getting warnings at all?
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checklist of tips and techniques to get you started.This list is meant for debugging some of the most common Perl programming problems; it assumes no prior working experience with the Perl debugger ( perldebtut ). Think of it as a First Aid kit, rather than a fully-staffed state-of-the-art operating room.
These tips are meant to act as a guide to help you answer the following questions:
- Are you sure your data is what you think it is?
- Are you sure your code is what you think it is?
- Are you inadvertently ignoring error and warning messages?
What's next? If you are not already doing so, use an editor that understands Perl syntax (such as vim or emacs), a GUI debugger (such as Devel::ptkdb ) or use a full-blown IDE. Lastly, use a version control system so that you can fearlessly make these temporary hacks to your code without trashing the real thing.
- Add the "stricture" pragmas ( Use strict and warnings ) use strict; use warnings; use diagnostics; [download]
- Display the contents of variables using print or warn warn "$var\n"; print "@things\n"; # array with spaces between elements [download]
- Check for unexpected whitespace
- chomp , then print with delimiters of your choice, such as colons or balanced brackets, for visibility chomp $var; print ">>>$var<<<\n"; [download]
- Check for unprintable characters by converting them into their ASCII hex codes using ord my $copy = $str; $copy =~ s/([^\x20-\x7E])/sprintf '\x{%02x}', ord $1/eg; print ":$copy:\n"; [download]
- Dump arrays, hashes and arbitrarily complex data structures. You can get started using the core module Data::Dumper . Should the output prove to be unsuitable to you, other alternatives can be downloaded from CPAN, such as Data::Dump , YAML , or JSON . See also How can I visualize my complex data structure? use Data::Dumper; print Dumper(\%hash); print Dumper($ref); [download]
- If you were expecting a ref erence, make sure it is the right kind (ARRAY, HASH, etc.) print ref $ref, "\n"; [download]
- Check to see if your code is what you thought it was: B::Deparse $ perl -MO=Deparse -p program.pl [download]
- Check the return ( error ) status of your commands
- open with $! open my $fh, '<', 'foo.txt' or die "can not open foo.txt: $!"; [download]
- system and backticks ( qx ) with $? if (system $cmd) { print "Error: $? for command $cmd" } else { print "Command $cmd is OK" } $out = `$cmd`; print $? if $?; [download]
- eval with $@ eval { do_something() }; warn $@ if $@; [download]
- Use Carp to display variables with a stack trace of module names and function calls. use Carp qw(cluck); cluck("var is ($var)"); [download]
Better yet, install and use the Carp::Always CPAN module to make your existing warn / die complain with a stack trace:
$ perl -MCarp::Always program.pl [download]- Demystify regular expressions by installing and using the CPAN module YAPE::Regex::Explain # what the heck does /^\s+$/ mean? use YAPE::Regex::Explain; print YAPE::Regex::Explain->new('/^\s+$/')->explain(); [download]
- Neaten up your code by installing and using the CPAN script perltidy . Poor indentation can often obscure problems.
- Checklist for debugging when using CPAN modules:
- Check the Bug List by following the module's "View Bugs" link.
- Is your installed version the latest version? If not, check the change log by following the "Changes" link. Also follow the "Other Tools" link to "Diff" and "Grep" the release.
- If a module provides status methods, check them in your code as you would check return status of built-in functions: use WWW::Mechanize; if ($mech->success()) { ... } [download]
For more relevant discussions, refer to the initial Meditation post: RFC: Basic debugging checklist
Updated: Sep 8, 2009: Added CPAN Diff/Grep tip.
Updated: Jan 11, 2011: Added Carp::Always.Bloodnok (Vicar) on Feb 23, 2009 at 01:19 UTC
Re: Basic debugging checklistDamned decent posting :D ... just a couple of suggestions tho'...
Just a thought...
- Step 5 - Use a stringified ref. to provide straightforward visual comparison of 2, or more, ref.s - I've recently been using this to verify that a ref. in 2 different places is actually the same object.
- Step 7 - add use autodie; to provide default exception throwing on failure
- Step 7 & 8 - add use CGI::Carp; for CGI/WWW scripts
- Your final observation WRT IDEs etc. could, IMHO, suggest that the use of Eclipse, for perl dev't, isn't for the fainthearted...
hexcoder (Chaplain) on Jun 21, 2014 at 11:07 UTC
Re: Basic debugging checklistWhen debugging warnings from the perl core like Use of uninitialized value ... let the debugger pause right there. Then have a good look at the context that led to this situation and investigate variables and the callstack.
To let the debugger do this automatically I use a debugger customization script:
sub afterinit { $::SIG{'__WARN__'} = sub { my $warning = shift; if ( $warning =~ m{\s at \s \S+ \s line \s \d+ \. $}xms ) { $DB::single = 1; # debugger stops here automatically } warn $warning; }; print "sigwarn handler installed!\n"; return; }[download]Save the content to file .perldb (or perldb.ini on Windows) and place it in the current or in your HOME directory.
The subroutine will be called initially by the debugger and installs a signal handler for all warnings. If the format matches one from the perl core, execution in the debugger is paused by setting $DB::single = 1 .
LanX (Bishop) on Jun 21, 2014 at 12:30 UTC
Re^2: Basic debugging checklistby LanX (Bishop) on Jun 21, 2014 at 12:30 UTC
hexcoder ++ :)For further informations: afterinit , .perldb and other options are described in:
Anonymous Monk on Oct 03, 2014 at 02:58 UTC
Re: Basic debugging checklistperl -M re =debug foo.pl can help you see how perl interprets your regex, much in the way O=Deparse does for perl code
Anonymous Monk on Oct 31, 2014 at 07:38 UTC
Re^2: Basic debugging checklistIf you don't quite understand what you're looking at (output of deparse, perl syntax), then ppi_dumper can help you look at the right part of the manual, an example
$ ppi_dumper 2 PPI::Document PPI::Statement::Include PPI::Token::Word 'use' PPI::Token::Whitespace ' ' PPI::Token::Word 'constant' PPI::Token::Whitespace ' ' PPI::Token::Word 'X' PPI::Token::Whitespace ' ' PPI::Token::Operator '=>' PPI::Token::Whitespace ' ' PPI::Token::Number '1' PPI::Token::Operator '/' PPI::Token::Number '3' PPI::Token::Structure ';' PPI::Token::Whitespace '\n' PPI::Token::Whitespace '\n'[download]So PPI::Token::Operator tells you "=>" is an operator
If you read perl /"perltoc" then you'll know that operators are documented in perlop
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Thepackage
directive sets the namespace. As such, the namespace is also called the package.Perl doesn't have a formal definition of module. There's a lot of variance, but the following holds for a huge majority of modules:
- A file with a
.pm
extension.- The file contains a single
package
declaration that covers the entirety of the code. (But see below.)- The file is named based on the namespace named by that
package
.- The file is expected to return a true value when executed.
- The file is expected to be executed no more than once per interpreter.
It's not uncommon to encounter
.pm
files with multiple packages. Whether that's a single module, multiple modules or both is up for debate.Namespace
is a general computing term meaning a container for a distinct set of identifiers. The same identifier can appear independently in different namespaces and refer to different objects, and a fully-qualified identifier which unambiguously identifies an object consists of the namespace plus the identifier.Perl implements namespaces using the
package
keyword.A Perl module is a different thing altogether. It is a piece of Perl code that can be incorporated into any program with the
use
keyword. The filename should end with.pm
- for erl odule - and the code it contains should have apackage
statement using a package name that is equivalent to the file's name, including its path. For instance, a module written in a file calledMy/Useful/Module.pm
should have apackage
statement likepackage My::Useful::Module
.What you may have been thinking of is a class which, again, is a general computing term, this time meaning a type of object-oriented data. Perl uses its packages as class names, and an object-oriented module will have a constructor subroutine - usually called
new
- that will return a reference to data that has beenblessed
to make it behave in an object-oriented fashion. By no means all Perl modules are object-oriented ones: some can be simple libraries of subroutines.
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user380979 , Aug 4, 2010 at 5:20
What is the Difference between.pm
(Perl module) and.pl
(Perl script) file?Please also tell me why we return
1
from file. If return 2 or anything else, it's not generating any error, so why do we return1
from Perl module?Amadan , Aug 4, 2010 at 5:32
1
does not matter. It can be2
, it can be"foo"
, it can be["a", "list"]
. What matters is it's not0
, or anything else that evaluates as false, oruse
would fail. – Amadan Aug 4 '10 at 5:32Marc Lehmann , Oct 16, 2015 at 22:08
.pl is actually a perl library - perl scripts, like C programs or programs written in other languages, do not have an ending, except on operating systems that need one to functiopn, such as windows. – Marc Lehmann Oct 16 '15 at 22:08Sinan Ünür , Aug 4, 2010 at 12:41
At the very core, the file extension you use makes no difference as to howperl
interprets those files.However, putting modules in
.pm
files following a certain directory structure that follows the package name provides a convenience. So, if you have a moduleExample::Plot::FourD
and you put it in a directoryExample/Plot/FourD.pm
in a path in your@INC
, thenuse
andrequire
will do the right thing when given the package name as inuse Example::Plot::FourD
.The file must return true as the last statement to indicate successful execution of any initialization code, so it's customary to end such a file with
1;
unless you're sure it'll return true otherwise. But it's better just to put the1;
, in case you add more statements.If
EXPR
is a bareword, therequire
assumes a ".pm" extension and replaces "::" with "/" in the filename for you, to make it easy to load standard modules. This form of loading of modules does not risk altering your namespace.All
use
does is to figure out the filename from the package name provided,require
it in aBEGIN
block and invokeimport
on the package. There is nothing preventing you from not usinguse
but taking those steps manually.For example, below I put the
Example::Plot::FourD
package in a file calledt.pl
, loaded it in a script in files.pl
.C:\Temp> cat t.pl package Example::Plot::FourD; use strict; use warnings; sub new { bless {} => shift } sub something { print "something\n" } "Example::Plot::FourD" C:\Temp> cat s.pl #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; BEGIN { require 't.pl'; } my $p = Example::Plot::FourD->new; $p->something; C:\Temp> s somethingThis example shows that module files do not have to end in
1
, any true value will do.Igor Oks , Aug 4, 2010 at 5:25
A .pl is a single script.In .pm ( Perl Module ) you have functions that you can use from other Perl scripts:
A Perl module is a self-contained piece of Perl code that can be used by a Perl program or by other Perl modules. It is conceptually similar to a C link library, or a C++ class.
Dave Cross , Sep 17, 2010 at 9:37
"A .pl is a single script." Not true. It's only on broken operating systems that you need to identify Perl programs with a .pl extension. And originally .pl indicated a "Perl library" - external subroutines that you loaded with a "require" or "do" command. – Dave Cross Sep 17 '10 at 9:37
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Fran Corpier , May 20, 2009 at 2:22
Great question: How doesour
differ frommy
and what doesour
do?In Summary:
Available since Perl 5,
my
is a way to declare:
- non-package variables, that are
- private,
- new ,
- non-global variables,
- separate from any package. So that the variable cannot be accessed in the form of
$package_name::variable
.On the other hand,
our
variables are:
- package variables, and thus automatically
- global variables,
- definitely not private ,
- nor are they necessarily new; and they
- can be accessed outside the package (or lexical scope) with the qualified namespace, as
$package_name::variable
.Declaring a variable with
our
allows you to predeclare variables in order to use them underuse strict
without getting typo warnings or compile-time errors. Since Perl 5.6, it has replaced the obsoleteuse vars
, which was only file-scoped, and not lexically scoped as isour
For example, the formal, qualified name for variable
$x
insidepackage main
is$main::x
. Declaringour $x
allows you to use the bare$x
variable without penalty (i.e., without a resulting error), in the scope of the declaration, when the script usesuse strict
oruse strict "vars"
. The scope might be one, or two, or more packages, or one small block.Nathan Fellman , Aug 23, 2009 at 13:51
So how does our differ from local? � Nathan Fellman Aug 23 '09 at 13:51ikegami , Sep 21, 2011 at 16:57
@Nathan Fellman,local
doesn't create variables. It doesn't relate tomy
andour
at all.local
temporarily backs up the value of variable and clears its current value. � ikegami Sep 21 '11 at 16:57ikegami , Nov 20, 2016 at 1:15
our
variables are not package variables. They aren't globally-scoped, but lexically-scoped variables just likemy
variables. You can see that in the following program:package Foo; our $x = 123; package Bar; say $x;
. If you want to "declare" a package variable, you need to useuse vars qw( $x );
.our $x;
declares a lexically-scoped variable that is aliased to the same-named variable in the package in which theour
was compiled. � ikegami Nov 20 '16 at 1:15bubaker , May 10, 2009 at 14:00
The PerlMonks and PerlDoc links from cartman and Olafur are a great reference - below is my crack at a summary:
my
variables are lexically scoped within a single block defined by{}
or within the same file if not in{}
s. They are not accessible from packages/subroutines defined outside of the same lexical scope / block.
our
variables are scoped within a package/file and accessible from any code thatuse
orrequire
that package/file - name conflicts are resolved between packages by prepending the appropriate namespace.Just to round it out,
local
variables are "dynamically" scoped, differing frommy
variables in that they are also accessible from subroutines called within the same block.Georg , Oct 1, 2016 at 6:41
+1 for "my
variables are lexically scoped [...] within the same file if not in{}
s". That was useful for me, thanks. � Georg Oct 1 '16 at 6:41FMc , Jun 13, 2009 at 16:11
An example:use strict; for (1 .. 2){ # Both variables are lexically scoped to the block. our ($o); # Belongs to 'main' package. my ($m); # Does not belong to a package. # The variables differ with respect to newness. $o ++; $m ++; print __PACKAGE__, " >> o=$o m=$m\n"; # $m is always 1. # The package has changed, but we still have direct, # unqualified access to both variables, because the # lexical scope has not changed. package Fubb; print __PACKAGE__, " >> o=$o m=$m\n"; } # The our() and my() variables differ with respect to privacy. # We can still access the variable declared with our(), provided # that we fully qualify its name, but the variable declared # with my() is unavailable. print __PACKAGE__, " >> main::o=$main::o\n"; # 2 print __PACKAGE__, " >> main::m=$main::m\n"; # Undefined. # Attempts to access the variables directly won't compile. # print __PACKAGE__, " >> o=$o\n"; # print __PACKAGE__, " >> m=$m\n"; # Variables declared with use vars() are like those declared # with our(): belong to a package; not private; and not new. # However, their scoping is package-based rather than lexical. for (1 .. 9){ use vars qw($uv); $uv ++; } # Even though we are outside the lexical scope where the # use vars() variable was declared, we have direct access # because the package has not changed. print __PACKAGE__, " >> uv=$uv\n"; # And we can access it from another package. package Bubb; print __PACKAGE__, " >> main::uv=$main::uv\n";Nathan Fellman , Jun 13, 2009 at 17:52
Good answer. It's a shame I can't upvote it more than once � Nathan Fellman Jun 13 '09 at 17:52Roland Illig , Nov 20, 2015 at 18:46
Instead of# 5
, the comment should read# 2
. � Roland Illig Nov 20 '15 at 18:46daotoad , May 10, 2009 at 16:37
Coping with Scoping is a good overview of Perl scoping rules. It's old enough thatour
is not discussed in the body of the text. It is addressed in the Notes section at the end.The article talks about package variables and dynamic scope and how that differs from lexical variables and lexical scope.
ismail , May 10, 2009 at 10:27
my is used for local variables, where as our is used for global variables. More reading over Variable Scoping in Perl: the basics .Chas. Owens , May 11, 2009 at 0:16
Be careful tossing around the words local and global. The proper terms are lexical and package. You can't create true global variables in Perl, but some already exist like $_, and local refers to package variables with localized values (created by local), not to lexical variables (created with my). � Chas. Owens May 11 '09 at 0:16MJD , Oct 7, 2013 at 14:02
${^Potato}
is global. It refers to the same variable regardless of where you use it. � MJD Oct 7 '13 at 14:02Xu Ding , Nov 7, 2013 at 15:31
It's an old question, but I ever met some pitfalls about lexical declarations in Perl that messed me up, which are also related to this question, so I just add my summary here:1. definition or declaration?
local $var = 42; print "var: $var\n";The output is
var: 42
. However we couldn't tell iflocal $var = 42;
is a definition or declaration. But how about this:use strict; use warnings; local $var = 42; print "var: $var\n";The second program will throw an error:
Global symbol "$var" requires explicit package name.
$var
is not defined, which meanslocal $var;
is just a declaration! Before usinglocal
to declare a variable, make sure that it is defined as a global variable previously.But why this won't fail?
use strict; use warnings; local $a = 42; print "var: $a\n";The output is:
var: 42
.That's because
$a
, as well as$b
, is a global variable pre-defined in Perl. Remember the sort function?2. lexical or global?
I was a C programmer before starting using Perl, so the concept of lexical and global variables seems straightforward to me: just corresponds to auto and external variables in C. But there're small differences:
In C, an external variable is a variable defined outside any function block. On the other hand, an automatic variable is a variable defined inside a function block. Like this:
int global; int main(void) { int local; }While in Perl, things are subtle:
sub main { $var = 42; } &main; print "var: $var\n";The output is
var: 42
,$var
is a global variable even it's defined in a function block! Actually in Perl, any variable is declared as global by default.The lesson is to always add
use strict; use warnings;
at the beginning of a Perl program, which will force the programmer to declare the lexical variable explicitly, so that we don't get messed up by some mistakes taken for granted.ruffin , Feb 10, 2015 at 19:47
More on ["remembering [$a and $b in] sort" here]( stackoverflow.com/a/26128328/1028230 ). Perl never ceases to, um, astound me. � ruffin Feb 10 '15 at 19:47�lafur Waage , May 10, 2009 at 10:25
The perldoc has a good definition of our.Unlike my, which both allocates storage for a variable and associates a simple name with that storage for use within the current scope, our associates a simple name with a package variable in the current package, for use within the current scope. In other words, our has the same scoping rules as my, but does not necessarily create a variable.
Misha Gale , Dec 2, 2011 at 15:03
This is only somewhat related to the question, but I've just discovered a (to me) obscure bit of perl syntax that you can use with "our" (package) variables that you can't use with "my" (local) variables.#!/usr/bin/perl our $foo = "BAR"; print $foo . "\n"; ${"foo"} = "BAZ"; print $foo . "\n";Output:
BAR BAZThis won't work if you change 'our' to 'my'.
Cosmicnet , Oct 21, 2014 at 14:08
Not so. $foo ${foo} ${'foo'} ${"foo"} all work the same for variable assignment or dereferencing. Swapping the our in the above example for my does work. What you probably experienced was trying to dereference $foo as a package variable, such as $main::foo or $::foo which will only work for package globals, such as those defined with our . � Cosmicnet Oct 21 '14 at 14:08Misha Gale , Oct 21, 2014 at 17:50
Just retested using v5.20, and it definitely doesn't give the same output with my (it prints BAR twice.) � Misha Gale Oct 21 '14 at 17:50Cosmicnet , Nov 22, 2014 at 13:44
My test (on windows):perl -e "my $foo = 'bar'; print $foo; ${foo} = 'baz'; pr int $foo"
output:barbaz
perl -e "my $foo = 'bar'; print $foo; ${"foo"} = 'baz'; print $foo"
output:barbaz
perl -e "my $foo = 'bar'; print $foo; ${\"foo\"} = 'baz'; print $foo"
output:barbar
So in my testing I'd fallen into the same trap. ${foo} is the same as $foo, the brackets are useful when interpolating. ${"foo"} is actually a look up to $main::{} which is the main symbol table, as such only contains package scoped variables. � Cosmicnet Nov 22 '14 at 13:44Cosmicnet , Nov 22, 2014 at 13:57
${"main::foo"}, ${"::foo"}, and $main::foo are the same as ${"foo"}. The shorthand is package sensitiveperl -e "package test; our $foo = 'bar'; print $foo; ${\"foo\"} = 'baz'; print $foo"
works, as in this context ${"foo"} is now equal to ${"test::foo"}. Of Symbol Tables and Globs has some information on it, as does the Advanced Perl programming book. Sorry for my previous mistake. � Cosmicnet Nov 22 '14 at 13:57Lavi Buchnik , Sep 5, 2014 at 12:09
print "package is: " . __PACKAGE__ . "\n"; our $test = 1; print "trying to print global var from main package: $test\n"; package Changed; { my $test = 10; my $test1 = 11; print "trying to print local vars from a closed block: $test, $test1\n"; } &Check_global; sub Check_global { print "trying to print global var from a function: $test\n"; } print "package is: " . __PACKAGE__ . "\n"; print "trying to print global var outside the func and from \"Changed\" package: $test\n"; print "trying to print local var outside the block $test1\n";Will Output this:
package is: main trying to print global var from main package: 1 trying to print local vars from a closed block: 10, 11 trying to print global var from a function: 1 package is: Changed trying to print global var outside the func and from "Changed" package: 1 trying to print local var outside the blockIn case using "use strict" will get this failure while attempting to run the script:
Global symbol "$test1" requires explicit package name at ./check_global.pl line 24. Execution of ./check_global.pl aborted due to compilation errors.Okuma.Scott , Sep 5, 2014 at 12:29
Please provide some kind of explanation. Dumping code like this is rarely considered appropriate. � Okuma.Scott Sep 5 '14 at 12:29Lavi Buchnik , Sep 6, 2014 at 20:08
in simple words: Our (as the name sais) is a variable decliration to use that variable from any place in the script (function, block etc ...), every variable by default (in case not declared) belong to "main" package, our variable still can be used even after decliration of another package in the script. "my" variable in case declared in a block or function, can be used in that block/function only. in case "my" variable was declared not closed in a block, it can be used any where in the scriot, in a closed block as well or in a function as "our" variable, but can't used in case package changed � Lavi Buchnik Sep 6 '14 at 20:08Lavi Buchnik , Sep 6, 2014 at 20:13
My script above shows that by default we are in the "main" package, then the script print an "our" variable from "main" package (not closed in a block), then we declare two "my" variables in a function and print them from that function. then we print an "our" variable from another function to show it can be used in a function. then we changing the package to "changed" (not "main" no more), and we print again the "our" variable successfully. then trying to print a "my" variable outside of the function and failed. the script just showing the difference between "our" and "my" usage. � Lavi Buchnik Sep 6 '14 at 20:13Yugdev , Nov 5, 2015 at 11:08
Just try to use the following program :#!/usr/local/bin/perl use feature ':5.10'; #use warnings; package a; { my $b = 100; our $a = 10; print "$a \n"; print "$b \n"; } package b; #my $b = 200; #our $a = 20 ; print "in package b value of my b $a::b \n"; print "in package b value of our a $a::a \n";Nathan Fellman , Nov 5, 2015 at 13:11
yes, but why is that? � Nathan Fellman Nov 5 '15 at 13:11Yugdev , Nov 5, 2015 at 14:03
This explains the difference between my and our. The my variable goes out of scope outside the curly braces and is garbage collected but the our variable still lives. � Yugdev Nov 5 '15 at 14:03xoid , May 16, 2013 at 8:02
#!/usr/bin/perl -l use strict; # if string below commented out, prints 'lol' , if the string enabled, prints 'eeeeeeeee' #my $lol = 'eeeeeeeeeee' ; # no errors or warnings at any case, despite of 'strict' our $lol = eval {$lol} || 'lol' ; print $lol;Nathan Fellman , May 16, 2013 at 11:07
Can you explain what this code is meant to demonstrate? Why areour
andmy
different? How does this example show it? � Nathan Fellman May 16 '13 at 11:07Evgeniy , Jan 27, 2016 at 4:57
Let us think what an interpreter actually is: it's a piece of code that stores values in memory and lets the instructions in a program that it interprets access those values by their names, which are specified inside these instructions. So, the big job of an interpreter is to shape the rules of how we should use the names in those instructions to access the values that the interpreter stores.On encountering "my", the interpreter creates a lexical variable: a named value that the interpreter can access only while it executes a block, and only from within that syntactic block. On encountering "our", the interpreter makes a lexical alias of a package variable: it binds a name, which the interpreter is supposed from then on to process as a lexical variable's name, until the block is finished, to the value of the package variable with the same name.
The effect is that you can then pretend that you're using a lexical variable and bypass the rules of 'use strict' on full qualification of package variables. Since the interpreter automatically creates package variables when they are first used, the side effect of using "our" may also be that the interpreter creates a package variable as well. In this case, two things are created: a package variable, which the interpreter can access from everywhere, provided it's properly designated as requested by 'use strict' (prepended with the name of its package and two colons), and its lexical alias.
Sources:
Oct 14, 2017 | opensource.com
Larry Wall released Perl 1.0 to the comp.sources.misc Usenet newsgroup on December 18, 1987. In the nearly 30 years since then, both the language and the community of enthusiasts that sprung up around it have grown and thrived -- and they continue to do so, despite suggestions to the contrary!
Wall's fundamental assertion -- there is more than one way to do it -- continues to resonate with developers. Perl allows programmers to embody the three chief virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience, and hubris. Perl was originally designed for utility, not beauty. Perl is a programming language for fixing things, for quick hacks, and for making complicated things possible partly through the power of community. This was a conscious decision on Larry Wall's part: In an interview in 1999, he posed the question, "When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?"
A history lesson
- Perl 1.0 - Perl 4.036 Perl allows programmers to embody the three chief virtues of a programmer: laziness, impatience, and hubris. Larry Wall developed the first Perl interpreter and language while working for System Development Corporation, later a part of Unisys. Early releases focused on the tools needed for the system engineering problems that he was trying to solve. Perl 2's release in 1988 made improvements on the regular expression engine. Perl 3, in 1989, added support for binary data streams. In March of 1991, Perl 4 was released, along with the first edition of Programming Perl , by Larry Wall and Randal L. Schwartz. Prior to Perl 4, the documentation for Perl had been maintained in a single document, but the O'Reilly-published "Camel Book," as it is called, continues to be the canonical reference for the Perl language. As Perl has changed over the years, Programming Perl has been updated, and it is now in its fourth edition.
- Early Perl 5 Perl 5.000, released on October 17, 1994, was a nearly complete rewrite of the interpreter. New features included objects, references, lexical variables, and the use of external, reusable modules. This new modularity provides a tool for growing the language without modifying the underlying interpreter. Perl 5.004 introduced CGI.pm, which contributed to its use as an early scripting language for the internet. Many Perl-driven internet applications and sites still in use today emerged about this time, including IMDB, Craigslist, Bugzilla, and cPanel.
- Modern Perl 5 Perl version 5.10 of Perl was released on the 20th anniversary of Perl 1.0: December 18, 2007. Version 5.10 marks the start of the "Modern Perl" movement. Modern Perl is a style of development that takes advantage of the newest language features, places a high importance on readable code, encourages testing, and relies heavily on the use of the CPAN ecosystem of contributed code. Development of Perl 5 continues along more modern lines, with attention in recent years to Unicode compatibility, JSON support, and other useful features for object-oriented coders.
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The Perl community
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- Perl Mongers In 1997, a group of Perl enthusiasts from the New York City area met at the first O'Reilly Perl Conference (which later became OSCON), and formed the New York Perl Mongers, or NY.pm . The ".pm" suffix for Perl Mongers groups is a play on the fact that shared-code Perl files are suffixed .pm, for "Perl module." The Perl Mongers organization has, for the past 20 years, provided a framework for the foundation and nurturing of local user groups all over the world and currently boasts of 250 Perl monger groups. Individual groups, or groups working as a team, sponsor and host conferences, hackathons, and workshops from time to time, as well as local meetings for technical and social discussions.
- PerlMonks Have a question? Want to read the wisdom of some of the gurus of Perl? Check out PerlMonks . You'll find numerous tutorials, a venue to ask questions and get answers from the community, along with lighthearted bits about Perl and the Perl community. The software that drives PerlMonks is getting a little long in the tooth, but the community continues to thrive, with new posts daily and a humorous take on the religious fervor that developers express about their favorite languages. As you participate, you gain points and levels . The Meditations contains discussions about Perl, hacker culture, or other related things; some include suggestions and ideas for new features.
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As Perl turns 30, the community that emerged around Larry Wall's solution to sticky system administration problems continues to grow and thrive. New developers enter the community all the time, and substantial new work is being done to modernize the language and keep it useful for solving a new generation of problems. Interested? Find your local Perl Mongers group, or join us online, or attend a Perl Conference near you!
Ruth Holloway - Ruth Holloway has been a system administrator and software developer for a long, long time, getting her professional start on a VAX 11/780, way back when. She spent a lot of her career (so far) serving the technology needs of libraries, and has been a contributor since 2008 to the Koha open source library automation suite.Ruth is currently a Perl Developer at cPanel in Houston, and also serves as chief of staff for an obnoxious cat. In her copious free time, she occasionally reviews old romance... "
Jan 13, 2014 | www.fastcompany.com
And the rise of Python. Does Perl have a future?
I first heard of Perl when I was in middle school in the early 2000s. It was one of the world's most versatile programming languages, dubbed the Swiss army knife of the Internet. But compared to its rival Python, Perl has faded from popularity. What happened to the web's most promising language? Perl's low entry barrier compared to compiled, lower level language alternatives (namely, C) meant that Perl attracted users without a formal CS background (read: script kiddies and beginners who wrote poor code). It also boasted a small group of power users ("hardcore hackers") who could quickly and flexibly write powerful, dense programs that fueled Perl's popularity to a new generation of programmers.
A central repository (the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network, or CPAN ) meant that for every person who wrote code, many more in the Perl community (the Programming Republic of Perl ) could employ it. This, along with the witty evangelism by eclectic creator Larry Wall , whose interest in language ensured that Perl led in text parsing, was a formula for success during a time in which lots of text information was spreading over the Internet.
As the 21st century approached, many pearls of wisdom were wrought to move and analyze information on the web. Perl did have a learning curve�often meaning that it was the third or fourth language learned by adopters�but it sat at the top of the stack.
"In the race to the millennium, it looks like C++ will win, Java will place, and Perl will show," Wall said in the third State of Perl address in 1999. "Some of you no doubt will wish we could erase those top two lines, but I don't think you should be unduly concerned. Note that both C++ and Java are systems programming languages. They're the two sports cars out in front of the race. Meanwhile, Perl is the fastest SUV, coming up in front of all the other SUVs. It's the best in its class. Of course, we all know Perl is in a class of its own."
Then came the upset.
The Perl vs. Python Grudge MatchThen Python came along. Compared to Perl's straight-jacketed scripting, Python was a lopsided affair. It even took after its namesake, Monty Python's Flying Circus. Fittingly, most of Wall's early references to Python were lighthearted jokes at its expense. Well, the millennium passed, computers survived Y2K , and my teenage years came and went. I studied math, science, and humanities but kept myself an arm's distance away from typing computer code. My knowledge of Perl remained like the start of a new text file: cursory , followed by a lot of blank space to fill up.
In college, CS friends at Princeton raved about Python as their favorite language (in spite of popular professor Brian Kernighan on campus, who helped popularize C). I thought Python was new, but I later learned it was around when I grew up as well, just not visible on the charts.
By the late 2000s Python was not only the dominant alternative to Perl for many text parsing tasks typically associated with Perl (i.e. regular expressions in the field of bioinformatics ) but it was also the most proclaimed popular language , talked about with elegance and eloquence among my circle of campus friends, who liked being part of an up-and-coming movement.
Side By Side Comparison: Binary SearchDespite Python and Perl's well documented rivalry and design decision differences�which persist to this day�they occupy a similar niche in the programming ecosystem. Both are frequently referred to as "scripting languages," even though later versions are retro-fitted with object oriented programming (OOP) capabilities.
Stylistically, Perl and Python have different philosophies. Perl's best known mottos is " There's More Than One Way to Do It ". Python is designed to have one obvious way to do it. Python's construction gave an advantage to beginners: A syntax with more rules and stylistic conventions (for example, requiring whitespace indentations for functions) ensured newcomers would see a more consistent set of programming practices; code that accomplished the same task would look more or less the same. Perl's construction favors experienced programmers: a more compact, less verbose language with built-in shortcuts which made programming for the expert a breeze.
During the dotcom era and the tech recovery of the mid to late 2000s, high-profile websites and companies such as Dropbox (Python) and Amazon and Craigslist (Perl), in addition to some of the world's largest news organizations ( BBC , Perl ) used the languages to accomplish tasks integral to the functioning of doing business on the Internet. But over the course of the last 15 years , not only how companies do business has changed and grown, but so have the tools they use to have grown as well, unequally to the detriment of Perl. (A growing trend that was identified in the last comparison of the languages, " A Perl Hacker in the Land of Python ," as well as from the Python side a Pythonista's evangelism aggregator , also done in the year 2000.)
Today, Perl's growth has stagnated. At the Orlando Perl Workshop in 2013, one of the talks was titled " Perl is not Dead, It is a Dead End ," and claimed that Perl now existed on an island. Once Perl programmers checked out, they always left for good, never to return. Others point out that Perl is left out of the languages to learn first �in an era where Python and Java had grown enormously, and a new entrant from the mid-2000s, Ruby, continues to gain ground by attracting new users in the web application arena (via Rails ), followed by the Django framework in Python (PHP has remained stable as the simplest option as well).
In bioinformatics, where Perl's position as the most popular scripting language powered many 1990s breakthroughs like genetic sequencing, Perl has been supplanted by Python and the statistical language R (a variant of S-plus and descendent of S , also developed in the 1980s).
In scientific computing, my present field, Python, not Perl, is the open source overlord, even expanding at Matlab's expense (also a child of the 1980s , and similarly retrofitted with OOP abilities ). And upstart PHP grew in size to the point where it is now arguably the most common language for web development (although its position is dynamic, as Ruby and Python have quelled PHP's dominance and are now entrenched as legitimate alternatives.)
While Perl is not in danger of disappearing altogether, it is in danger of losing cultural relevance , an ironic fate given Wall's love of language. How has Perl become the underdog, and can this trend be reversed? (And, perhaps more importantly, will Perl 6 be released!?)
How I Grew To Love PythonWhy Python , and not Perl? Perhaps an illustrative example of what happened to Perl is my own experience with the language. In college, I still stuck to the contained environments of Matlab and Mathematica, but my programming perspective changed dramatically in 2012. I realized lacking knowledge of structured computer code outside the "walled garden" of a desktop application prevented me from fully simulating hypotheses about the natural world, let alone analyzing data sets using the web, which was also becoming an increasingly intellectual and financially lucrative skill set.
One year after college, I resolved to learn a "real" programming language in a serious manner: An all-in immersion taking me over the hump of knowledge so that, even if I took a break, I would still retain enough to pick up where I left off. An older alum from my college who shared similar interests�and an experienced programmer since the late 1990s�convinced me of his favorite language to sift and sort through text in just a few lines of code, and "get things done": Perl. Python, he dismissed, was what "what academics used to think." I was about to be acquainted formally.
Before making a definitive decision on which language to learn, I took stock of online resources, lurked on PerlMonks , and acquired several used O'Reilly books, the Camel Book and the Llama Book , in addition to other beginner books. Yet once again, Python reared its head , and even Perl forums and sites dedicated to the language were lamenting the digital siege their language was succumbing to . What happened to Perl? I wondered. Ultimately undeterred, I found enough to get started (quality over quantity, I figured!), and began studying the syntax and working through examples.
But it was not to be. In trying to overcome the engineered flexibility of Perl's syntax choices, I hit a wall. I had adopted Perl for text analysis, but upon accepting an engineering graduate program offer, switched to Python to prepare.
By this point, CPAN's enormous advantage had been whittled away by ad hoc, hodgepodge efforts from uncoordinated but overwhelming groups of Pythonistas that now assemble in Meetups , at startups, and on college and corporate campuses to evangelize the Zen of Python . This has created a lot of issues with importing ( pointed out by Wall ), and package download synchronizations to get scientific computing libraries (as I found), but has also resulted in distributions of Python such as Anaconda that incorporate the most important libraries besides the standard library to ease the time tariff on imports.
As if to capitalize on the zeitgiest, technical book publisher O'Reilly ran this ad , inflaming Perl devotees.
By 2013, Python was the language of choice in academia, where I was to return for a year, and whatever it lacked in OOP classes, it made up for in college classes. Python was like Google, who helped spread Python and employed van Rossum for many years. Meanwhile, its adversary Yahoo (largely developed in Perl ) did well, but comparatively fell further behind in defining the future of programming. Python was the favorite and the incumbent; roles had been reversed.
So after six months of Perl-making effort, this straw of reality broke the Perl camel's back and caused a coup that overthrew the programming Republic which had established itself on my laptop. I sheepishly abandoned the llama . Several weeks later, the tantalizing promise of a new MIT edX course teaching general CS principles in Python, in addition to numerous n00b examples , made Perl's syntax all too easy to forget instead of regret.
Measurements of the popularity of programming languages, in addition to friends and fellow programming enthusiasts I have met in the development community in the past year and a half, have confirmed this trend, along with the rise of Ruby in the mid-2000s, which has also eaten away at Perl's ubiquity in stitching together programs written in different languages.
While historically many arguments could explain away any one of these studies�perhaps Perl programmers do not cheerlead their language as much, since they are too busy productively programming. Job listings or search engine hits could mean that a programming language has many errors and issues with it, or that there is simply a large temporary gap between supply and demand.
The concomitant picture, and one that many in the Perl community now acknowledge, is that Perl is now essentially a second-tier language, one that has its place but will not be the first several languages known outside of the Computer Science domain such as Java, C, or now Python.
The Future Of Perl (Yes, It Has One)I believe Perl has a future , but it could be one for a limited audience. Present-day Perl is more suitable to users who have worked with the language from its early days , already dressed to impress . Perl's quirky stylistic conventions, such as using $ in front to declare variables, are in contrast for the other declarative symbol $ for practical programmers today�the money that goes into the continued development and feature set of Perl's frenemies such as Python and Ruby. And the high activation cost of learning Perl, instead of implementing a Python solution. Ironically, much in the same way that Perl jested at other languages, Perl now finds itself at the receiving end .
What's wrong with Perl , from my experience? Perl's eventual problem is that if the Perl community cannot attract beginner users like Python successfully has, it runs the risk of become like Children of Men , dwindling away to a standstill; vast repositories of hieroglyphic code looming in sections of the Internet and in data center partitions like the halls of the Mines of Moria . (Awe-inspiring and historical? Yes. Lively? No.)
Perl 6 has been an ongoing development since 2000. Yet after 14 years it is not officially done , making it the equivalent of Chinese Democracy for Guns N' Roses. In Larry Wall's words : "We're not trying to make Perl a better language than C++, or Python, or Java, or JavaScript. We're trying to make Perl a better language than Perl. That's all." Perl may be on the same self-inflicted path to perfection as Axl Rose, underestimating not others but itself. "All" might still be too much.
Absent a game-changing Perl release (which still could be "too little, too late") people who learn to program in Python have no need to switch if Python can fulfill their needs, even if it is widely regarded as second or third best in some areas. The fact that you have to import a library, or put up with some extra syntax, is significantly easier than the transactional cost of learning a new language and switching to it. So over time, Python's audience stays young through its gateway strategy that van Rossum himself pioneered, Computer Programming for Everybody . (This effort has been a complete success. For example, at MIT Python replaced Scheme as the first language of instruction for all incoming freshman, in the mid-2000s.)
Python Plows ForwardPython continues to gain footholds one by one in areas of interest, such as visualization (where Python still lags behind other language graphics, like Matlab, Mathematica, or the recent d3.js ), website creation (the Django framework is now a mainstream choice), scientific computing (including NumPy/SciPy), parallel programming (mpi4py with CUDA), machine learning, and natural language processing (scikit-learn and NLTK) and the list continues.
While none of these efforts are centrally coordinated by van Rossum himself, a continually expanding user base, and getting to CS students first before other languages (such as even Java or C), increases the odds that collaborations in disciplines will emerge to build a Python library for themselves, in the same open source spirit that made Perl a success in the 1990s.
As for me? I'm open to returning to Perl if it can offer me a significantly different experience from Python (but "being frustrating" doesn't count!). Perhaps Perl 6 will be that release. However, in the interim, I have heeded the advice of many others with a similar dilemma on the web. I'll just wait and C .
Sept 19, 2012 | Amazon.com
Athelbert Z. Athelstanon July 31, 2014
- Paperback: 744 pages
- Publisher: Wrox; 1 edition (September 19, 2012)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1118013840
- ISBN-13: 978-1118013847
- Product Dimensions: 7.4 x 1.4 x 9.3 inches
Craig Treptow, June 13, 2013Nice attempt; flawed implementation
Utterly inadequate editing. e.g. In the references chapter, where a backslash is essential to the description at hand, the backslashes don't show. There are numerous other less critical editing failures.
The result makes the book useless as a training aid.
out of 5 starsA Great Book to Learn About Perl
Preface
I have been dabbling in Perl on and off since about 1993. For a decade or so, it was mostly "off", and then I took a position programming Perl full time about a year ago. We currently use perl 5.8.9, and I spend part of my time teaching Perl to old school mainframe COBOL programmers. Dare I say, I am the target market for this book?Chapter 1
The author takes the time, to explain that you should ever use `PERL', since it's not an acronym. I find it funny that the section headings utilize an "all caps" font, so the author does end up using `PERL'. That's not even a quibble, I just chuckle at such things.The author covers the perlbrew utility. Fantastic! What about all of us schmucks that are stuck with Windows at work, or elsewhere? Throw us a bone!! Ok, I don't think there is a bone to throw us, but the author does a great job of covering the options for Windows.
He covers the community! Amazing! Wonderful! Of all things a beginner should know, this is one of them, and it's great that the author has taken some time to describe what's out there.
One other note are the...notes. I love the fact that the author has left little breadcrumbs in the book (each starts with "NOTE" in a grey box), warning you about things that could ultimately hurt you. Case in point, the warning on page 13 regarding the old OO docs that came with 5.8 and 5.10. Wonderful.
Chapter 2
An entire chapter on CPAN? Yes!!! CPAN is a great resource, and part of what makes Perl so great. The author even has some advice regarding how to evaluate a module. Odd, though, there is no mention of the wonderful http://metacpan.org site. That is quickly becoming the favorite of a lot of people.It is great that the author covers the various cpan clients. However, if you end up in a shop like mine, that ends up being useless as you have to beg some sysadmin for every module you want installed.
Chapter 3
The basics of Perl are covered here in a very thorough way. The author takes you from "What is programming?" to package variables and some of the Perl built-in variables in short order.Chapter 4
Much more useful stuff is contained in this chapter. I mean I wish pack() and unpack() were made known to me when I first saw Perl, but hey, Perl is huge and I can understand leaving such things out, but I'm happy the author left a lot of them in.Herein lies another one of those wonderful grey boxes. On page 106 you'll find the box labeled `What is "TRUTH"?' So many seem to stumble over this, so it is great that it's in the book and your attention is drawn to it.
Chapter 5
Here you'll find the usual assortment of control-flow discussion including the experimental given/when, which most will know as a "switch" or "case" statement. The author even has a section to warn you against your temptation to use the "Switch" module. That's good stuff.Chapter 6
Wow references so early in the book!?!? Upon reflecting a bit, I think this is a good move. They allow so much flexibility with Perl, that I'm happy the author has explored them so early.Chapter 7
I do find it odd that a chapter on subroutines comes after a chapter on references, though. It seems like subroutines are the obvious choice to get a beginning programmer to start organizing their code. Hence, it should have come earlier.Having said that, I love the authors technique of "Named Arguments" and calling the hash passed in "%arg_for". It reads so well! I'm a fan and now tend to use this. Of course, it is obvious now that references needed to be discussed first, or this technique would just be "black magic" to a new Perl person.
There are so many other good things in this chapter: Carp, Try::Tiny, wantarray, Closures, recursion, etc. This is definitely a good chapter to read a couple of times and experiment with the code.
Chapter 8
As the author points out, an entire book has been written on the topic of regular expressions (perhaps even more than one book). The author does a good job of pulling out the stuff you're most likely to use and run across in code.Chapter 9
Here's one that sort of depends on what you do. It's good to know, but if you spend your days writing web apps that never interact with the file system, you'll never use this stuff. Of course thinking that will mean that you'll use it tomorrow, so read the chapter today anyway. :)Chapter 10
A chapter on just sort, map, and grep? Yes, yes there is, and it is well worth reading. This kind of stuff is usually left for some sort of "intermediate" level book, but it's good to read about it now and try to use them to see how they can help.Chapter 11
Ah, yes, a good chapter for when you've gotten past a single file with 100 subroutines and want to organize that in a more manageable way. I find it a bit odd that POD comes up in this chapter, rather than somewhere else. I guess it makes sense here, but would you really not document until you got to this point? Perhaps, but hey, at least you're documenting now. :)Chapter 12 and 13
I like the author's presentation of OO. I think you get a good feel for the "old school" version that you are likely to see in old code bases with a good comparison of how that can be easier by using Moose. These two chapters are worth reading a few times and playing with some code.Chapter 14
Unit testing for the win! I loved seeing this chapter. I walked into a shop with zero unit tests and have started the effort. Testing has been part of the Perl culture since the beginning. Embrace it. We can't live in a world without unit tests. I've been doing that and it hurts, don't do that to yourself.Chapter 15
"The Interwebs", really? I don't know what I would have called this chapter, but I'm happy it exists. Plack is covered, yay!!! Actually, this is a good overview of "web programming", and just "how the web works". Good stuff.Chapter 16
A chapter on DBI? Yes! This is useful. If you work in almost any shop, data will be in a database and you'll need to get to it.Chapter 17
"Plays well with others"...hmmm....another odd title, yet I can't think of a more appropriate one. How about "The chapter about STDIN, STDOUT, and STDERR". That's pretty catchy, right?Chapter 18
A chapter on common tasks, yet I've only had to do one of those things ( parsing and manipulating dates). I think my shop is weird, or I just haven't gotten involved with projects that required any of the other activities, such as reading/writing XML.Including the debugger and a profiler is good. However, how do you use the debugger with a web app? I don't know. Perhaps one day I'll figure it out. That's a section I wish was in the book. The author doesn't mention modulinos, but I think that's the way to use the debugger for stepping through module. I could be wrong. In any case, a little more on debugger scenarios would have been helpful. A lot of those comments also apply to profiling. I hope I just missed that stuff in this chapter. :)
Chapter 19
Wow, the sort of "leftover" chapter, yet still useful. It is good to know about ORMs for instance, even if you are like me and can't use them at work (yet).Quick coverage of templates and web frameworks? Yes, and Yes! I love a book that doesn't mention CGI.pm, since it is defunct now. Having said that, there are probably tons of shops that use it (like mine) until their employees demand that it be deleted from systems without remorse. So, it probably should have been given at least some lip service.
I am an admitted "fanboy" of Ovid. Given that, I can see how you might think I got paid for this or something. I didn't. I just think that he did a great job covering Perl with this book. He gives you stuff here that other authors have separated into multiple books. So much, in fact, that you won't even miss the discussion of what was improved with Perl's past v5.10.
All in all, if you buy this book, I think you'll be quite happy with it.
www.perlmonks.org
in reply to "Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated"
From the perldelta for Perl v5.22.0:
A literal { should now be escaped in a pattern
If you want a literal left curly bracket (also called a left brace) in a regular expression pattern, you should now escape it by either preceding it with a backslash (\{) or enclosing it within square brackets [{], or by using \Q; otherwise a deprecation warning will be raised. This was first announced as forthcoming in the v5.16 release; it will allow future extensions to the language to happen.
June 30, 2002 | Amazon.com
- Paperback: 262 pages
- Publisher: O'Reilly Media; 1 edition (June 30, 2002)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 0596001789
- ISBN-13: 978-0596001780
- Product Dimensions: 7 x 0.7 x 9.2 inches
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The LWP (Library for WWW in Perl) suite of modules lets your programs download and extract information from the Web. Perl & LWP shows how to make web requests, submit forms, and even provide authentication information, and it demonstrates using regular expressions, tokens, and trees to parse HTML. This book is a must have for Perl programmers who want to automate and mine the Web.
Gavin
Excellent coverage of LWP, packed full of useful examples, on July 16, 2002
I was definitely interested when I first heard that O'Reilly were publishing a book on LWP. LWP is a definitive collection of perl modules covering everything you could think of doing with URIs, HTML, and HTTP. While 'web services' are the buzzword friendly technology of the day, sometimes you need to roll your sleeves up and get a bit dirty scraping screens and hacking at HTML. For such a deep subject, this book weighs in at a slim 242 pages. This is a very good thing. I'm far too busy to read these massive shelf-destroying tomes that seem to be churned out recently.
It covers everything you need to know with concise examples, which is what makes this book really shine. You start with the basics using LWP::Simple through to more advanced topics using LWP::UserAgent, HTTP::Cookies, and WWW::RobotRules. Sean shows finger saving tips and shortcuts that take you more than a couple notches above what you can learn from the lwpcook manpage, with enough depth to satisfy somebody who is an experienced LWP hacker.
This book is a great reference, just flick through and you'll find a relevant chapter with an example to save the day. Chapters include filling in forms and extracting data from HTML using regular expressions, then more advanced topics using HTML::TokeParser, and then my preferred tool, the author's own HTML::TreeBuilder. The book ends with a chapter on spidering, with excellent coverage of design and warnings to get your started on your web trawling.
Amazon price: $47.99
Paperback - 912 pages (June 8, 2000)
Osborne McGraw-Hill; ISBN: 0072126302Here is a very good Amazon Review:
A much better second edition , July 20, 2000
Reviewer: Andrew Fernandez (see more about me) from Boulder, Colorado USAThis book is the much needed update to the first book by Ed and Michelle, published in 1998 that went by a different name, "Perl 5, Complete". The first book came out way too early with too many errors. Ed acknowledges this in his preface to the second edition. I enjoyed his first book, because catching errors made me learn the material better, but the second edition is soo much better.
High points for this second edition include:
- a good tutorial for object-oriented programming starting with creating modules up to full object-oriented programming with perl/tk.
- a great section on data-structures like arrays-of-arrars, and hash or hashes, etc... that are essential if you want to do intermediate or above Perl programming.
- A great chapter on real-world examples using perl/tk and OLE programing with Perl for Microsoft Windows plus other code samples.
- Some great new appendixes for Perl "grammer and structure" that weren't in the first edition. Basically a concise reference for symantics that would benefit anybody.
- A much improved index that was practically non-existent in the first edition.
All in all, I would say the second edition would be a good edition to learning and even improving your Perl skills since it is a huge tome of Perl information that can be both used as a reference and as a tutorial.
I have only the first edition that was called Perl 5 Complete. I even wrote the first review about the first edition of the book on Amazon.com. I also used it in one introductory e-commerce class. As usuall, you love a textbook much less after you use it a class -- errors and omissions became more evident :-(.
Still, most my students were able to grasp details of the language from the book, but now the book looks a little bit watery -- each chapter can be compressed into half without losing any useful content. So the number of pages can probably reduced in half. Also examples in the first edition are not that great and somewhat buggy.
All-in-all this is a good intro Perl 5 book with some well thought examples and multi-OS coverage.
Chapter 9 on regular expressions is not bad and many readers on Amazon like it. I was not impressed, but still I agree that it's OK, especially for novices.
Last seven chapters actually constitute a good intermediate book. They contain detailed treatment (with good examples) of interesting topics like PerlTk, interfacing Perl to Win32 applications, databases and more.
Attention: CGI coverage is very weak. File operations are much better covered in other books.
Even with problems mentioned above it is probably one of the best introductory Perl book. It is more suitable for those who have some programming experience in other language.
For people without programming experience no book can probably help ;-), but Jon Orwant's book might to be an alternative. The main problem with it is that it overstresses regular expression (at least more than I like in the beginner-oriented book). If you have some experience with other high level languages this book is a reasonable choice, although nothing is perfect in this world ;-)
- Paperback: 490 pages
- Publisher: Manning Publications (January 1, 2000)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1884777791
- ISBN-13: 978-1884777790
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Jake
1.0 out of 5 stars Surprisingly Disappointing, August 13, 2003
After reading so many positive reviews of Damian Conway's "Object Oriented (OO) Perl," I decided to buy a copy and increase my understanding of said subject. Unfortunately, after about two months of thoroughly dissecting each chapter in the book, I must admit that I was surprisingly disappointed.
I consider the first two chapters ("What you need to know first" and "What you need to know second") to be well written and quite useful. These chapters effectively and succinctly expressed the non-OO aspect of Perl programming. When I delved excitedly into chapter three, however, it seemed to me that Damian Conway lost his interest in teaching Perl, in lieu of underlining his own mastery of the language. Too many times I recall his overly complicated one-liners getting in the way of a clear explanation of the point he was trying to convey. I bought Damian Conway's OO Perl because I wanted to learn more about object orientation in Perl-not to view obfuscated code. A *lot* more clarity would have the made the book much more useful.
A second frustrating point about the book is how Damian writes a given class, and then fails to provide even a simple example of how to use said class. As a programmer reading the book, I found it quite annoying that I had to so often write my own "class calling" scripts. Of the many classes contained in the contents of the book, I recall only one or two working examples of how to use said classes! This baffled me throughout the book. I kept wondering, "Are examples of how to use these classes available on a website or something?" Even as I write this review now, I'm shaking my head at the lack of examples provided in the book.
In my opinion, the most appropriate title for Damian Conway's book is "Obfuscated Object Oriented Perl." The solid first two chapters aren't worth the ...cost of the book, and the OO chapters (3-14) are practically worthless-both as a reference, and as a means of instruction. The freely available OO Perl tutorials are of much more value than Damian's book. Said tutorials will not only save you money, but they will also bolster your understanding of OO Perl, which is something I so greatly wanted, but so widely failed to receive, from Damian Conway's OO Perl.
Jeffry Scott on December 4, 1998
- Paperback: 794 pages
- Publisher: O'Reilly; 1 edition (August 1, 1998)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1565922433
- ISBN-13: 978-1565922433
- Product Dimensions: 7 x 1.6 x 9.2 inches
After dog-earring (sic) the pages of the first edition of Programming Perl (the Camel book), I quickly glommed on to the second edition, thinking that they'll have even more informed narrative and great examples. The enhanced narrative WAS worth purchase of the second edition, but, as mentioned in the Amazon.com review, the "Command Tasks with Perl" and "Real Perl Programs" chapters had been dropped... it's been the closest I've ever come to letter-bombing a book publisher. Little did we know that there was a cunning plan by the Perl wizards and O'Reilly to produce The Perl Cookbook.While in this world of instant communication some say that two years was a long time to wait for the Cookbook, the wait was definitely worth it. The Cookbook is a treasure trove of examples, and should be considered a mandatory companion to Programming Perl AND Advanced Perl Programming on the bookshelf of intermediate and advanced perl programmers.
The Cookbook is also a great place for the novice to feed after cutting their teeth on Learning Perl. Each section is a mini-tutorial with nice examples to enter and ponder. Combined with the Camel book as general background and reference, you'll go a long way in finding quick solutions to common problems.
I'm not sure what was the problem of one reviewer regarding typographical errors. I've been using the first edition of the Cookbook, and have not encountered any serious difficulties. It seems that any typographical errors (and I haven't seen any, but then I haven't been looking) would have at worst lost one star in rating the Cookbook. Benefits of the Cookbook seem to far outweigh the nits on which this reviewer has focused. I do agree with the reviewer's final note: buy copies from the second and third printings, as I'm sure the first edition has already sold out! (... and some perl book geek will view this as an opportunity to collect a "first edition.")
It's not often I'm moved to write an online review. The Perl Cookbook is a superb reference for any serious perl programmer and especially for the novice and intermediate wanting to improve their skills. Buy this book! Bon appetit!
- Paperback: 288 pages
- Publisher: Addison-Wesley Professional; 1 edition (January 9, 1998)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 0201419750
- ISBN-13: 978-0201419757
- Product Dimensions: 7.4 x 0.8 x 9.2 inches
Barry Brown on November 5, 2000
Pearls of wisdom for the Perl progammer
The day I got this book, I turned to page 1 and started reading. Two hours later, I had made it only to page 80. Why? Because this book is DENSE and FULL of tips and tricks that will expand the horizons of the intermediate programmer. I spent a lot of time studying the numerous examples in order to soak up all the information that was being presented.
I've been programming with Perl since 1992 and teach it at a community college. And yet with every turn of the page, I learned something new. Examples:
Making regular expressions more efficientUsing map() and grep()
How to call a subroutine from inside a string
Great stuff! The techniques I've learned from this book have been incorporated into my new Perl scripts and they are shorter and faster than ever before.
I can't lavish enough praise on this book. Authors Joseph Hall and Randal Schwartz should be commended. If you have been using Perl for some time and want to hone your skills, get this book now.
A Customer
A real outdated masterpiece that may not appeal to everyone, June 7, 2000
This is, as the title implies, a book for advanced programmers. You are not supposed to be reading it until "Learning Perl" seems really basic to you and when you are ready to make the progression from browsing "Programming Perl" (the Camel book) -a reference guide to ALL of Perl- to writing a real & complex application. This book serves then as an introduction to several complex topics (DBI, data structures, Tk, OO, & Perl C internals) and gives a better explanation in some areas where the Camel book falls short or becomes too complex (here the explanations are better, but don't expect full tutorials from A to Z). I warn you.
It is the perfect companion to introduce you to a new subject while reading the online docs or other. You also might want to browse thru it if you are an experienced programmer with other scripting languages like TCL, Java or Python, since the comparisons at the end of each chapter is really excellent. As anything that was once considered advanced (and therefore, cutting edge), the book has aged.
Things like the persistent data manipulation module presented in the book have since been improved upon by newer ones. Some of the TCL comparisons are not entirely fair anymore (although mostly still correct). Tom Christiansen's perltoot for OO included with Perl is a much better and thorough introduction than the one offered here.
Also, if you are the type of programmer that reads every single little piece of documentation that comes with Perl, then well, you won't find anything new here --but some concepts that could have been unclear might be clarified here (the ideas presented are still correct, even if some of the code is not anymore).
Steve Wainsteadon July 17, 2000
But one of the great things about this book is its overall passion for programming and computer science
Compared to "Programming Perl" the explanations of references and complex data structures are worth the price alone. They are clear and concise.
The OOP chapters are a little thick, but if you are new to OOP they are a decent introduction.
But one of the great things about this book is its overall passion for programming and computer science; you can tell the author loves his work. It really shows. I bought "Programming Pearls" (not "Perls") as a result of this, and there's a neat chapter on dynamic code generation, an essential tool for the web developer's toolbox. All Perl hackers need this one.
Jack D. Herringtonon, December 13, 2003
Best way to learn references
This is one of the four critical books you need to learn Perl; Programming Perl, Learning Perl, Perl Cookbook and Advanced Perl Programming.
This book provides a deep understanding of how references (pointers) can be used to increase performance. In addition the book gives you a deeper understanding about how to make better use of hash tables as data structures.
The section on code generation using templates is great as well.
****+ Beginning Perl | Perl Cd Bookshelf | Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21 Days | Perl 5 Interactive Course : Certified Edition | Perl by Example |
Reilly Perl bookshelf contains several Perl books in HTMl format.
I would like to name this type of publishing "parallel publishing" and it has several very important
advantages over pure electronic e-text or pure paper publishing. First it's much more than "try before
you buy" although the best introductory book depends on your background and it's worth to shop about
for the best match. Still the availability of a regular "paper" book is much for convenient for studying
as you cannot compare the resolution and quality of text on the paper with that on the screen. Actually
the cost of printing it a sizable book on the laser printer exceeds the cost of buying a pri in contrast
to the vague, theory ridden texts IT is plagued with.
We cover dynamic programming, lambda abstraction, and other techniques
with the same approach.
Moderate through advanced experience level. Similar to "Design Pattern" books
for Java, C++, influenced heavily by "A Pattern Language", Christopher
Alexander.
At the time of this writing, approximately 100 pages worth of content exist, entirely covering the traditional,
expected patterns. A snapshot can be fetched from
http://wiki.slowass.net/assemble.cgi?PerlDesignPatterns.
Browsing the Wiki directly at
http://wiki.slowass.net/?PerlDesignPatterns directly has the advantage of allowing you submit questions,
corrections,
ideas, and amendments directly, as well as browse non-linearly. CVS access is
available as well, in some cases.
Mason is a tool for embedding the Perl programming language into text, in order to create text dynamically, most often in HTML. But Mason does not simply stop at HTML. It can just as easily create XML, WML, POD, configuration files, or the complete works of Shakespeare.
This is an old hat now, but you bac buy it really cheap. Six O'Reilly books on one CD-ROM in HTML format. Only one book is really good (cookbook). Advanced Perl can be useful too. CD includes:
Perl in a Nutshell; Programming Perl, 2nd Edition; Perl Cookbook(very good); Advanced Perl Programming(good); Learning Perl(outdated and weak); and Learning Perl on Win32 Systems(this is just a bad joke). As a bonus, the almost useless printed version of Perl in a Nutshell is also included.
Paperback, 870 pages,/ Published by Sams 16-May-1996 (second edition)
ISBN: 0672308940 ;
Avg. Customer Review: ***+ Number of Reviews: 38
From Amazon readers reviews:
A reader from San Diego, CA , January 28, 1999 *****
The Best PERL Book Available!
This is both an excellent way to learn Perl and a great reference book. The book is easy to read, really teaches the essentials of the language, and has a great index for reference (although not as good as the previous Perl 4 version of the book)...
David Medinets./ Que's October 1996/658 pages/CD-ROM/ISBN: 0789708663 Paperback - 658 pages Bk&Cd-Rom edition (October 1996)
Que Corp; ISBN: 0789708663 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.74 x 9.04 x 7.37
Currently it's probably the secondary choice among the open introductory books on Perl. I do not recommend it as an introductory book. Simon cozens and David Till's books are a better introductory books and I realized it hard way -- by teaching a class using Perl5 by Example. My experience suggests that it should not be used in the university environment but probably can be OK for self-study, especially if one have some experience with other languages. As an introductory book it's pretty weak -- the author uses too much obscure Perl idioms and many examples are weak and poorly thought out. In case you decided to use it, the book probably should be used only as a reference with Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21 Days as a primary text.The main advantage of the book is that the full text is available both on the CD-ROM and online from the Web(for example here Perl 5 by Example -- try to search Yahoo! for the mirror nearest to you; ).
See also the author interview
David Medinets "... has been programming since 1980, when he starting with a Radio Shack Model 1.". He has written also Visual Basic Script Quick Reference, and HTML Quick Reference, 2nd Edition for Que and also co-authored books on such topics as Lotus Notes, C++, Visual Basic, and Microsoft Office. In past he used REXX that probably is an advantage for any Perl programmer/writer as REXX (although a weaker scripting language) has some features that are difficult to program in Perl. This seems to be his first scripting language book. He is also a co-author of Using Lotus Notes 4 (1996). The book is conveniently structured into four parts:Part I: Basic Perl
Part II: Intermediate Perl
Part III: Advanced Perl
Part IV: Perl and the Internet
There are also 5 appendixes:A - Review Questions
Strangely enough most of readers reviews in the Amazon.com website are quite positive. Here is one example:[email protected] from Utah , January 30, 1999 ******
B - Glossary
C - Function List
D - The Windows Registry
E - What's On the CD?The Best Perl Book I've studied
Perl 5 by example is the best Perl book I've studied. I use the Perl 5 book along with the 'CGI For Windows' book to teach an internet/multimedia class, at an University level. 'Perl 5 by example' has an excellent teaching format: Definition, explanation, and hundreds of sample code fragments, to illustrate the point. 'Perl 5 by example' combines beginning concepts, intermediate, and advance Perl programming practices. One of the most valuable sections in 'Perl 5 by example' is the creating reports section. The second most valuable section is the regular expression explanation. I keep the 'Perl 5 by example' book close as a valuable language reference. Database is also a key interest for me. Combining Perl with Sybase and using the reporting capability helps students start learning how to create enterprise wide solutions. Write to me for details on some of the Perl projects that were created using the book. Upon studying this book and reader should have the knowledge to write numerous cgi scripts, create Perl modules, and understand at an intermediate level the Perl language.
Michael O. Foghlu, / Paperback / Published by Que 1996 / ISBN: 0789708884
Amazon price: $15.99 ~ You Save: $4.00 (20%)
The complete Perl reference - useful for finding the syntax for the most common and obscure Perl commands.
David Harlan, Michael O'Foghlu / Paperback / Published by Que 16-Oct-1996 /ISBN: 0789706598
Categories: Web Development, Programming, Perl
Covers Perl OOP structure, socket programming, HTML conversions, building Internet search utilities, and more!
Bill Middleton, et al / Paperback / Published 11-Mar-1997/ISBN: 1575211122
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Beginning Perl |
Perl Developer's Guide |
Perl Black Book |
Perl 5 Interactive Course : Certified Edition |
Elements of Programming With Perl |
Finding a decent introductory Perl books is not that difficult as there are several excellent books on the subject. Selecting between them is a little bit more tricky ;-). At the same time probably does not make much sense to buy two introductory books. I recommend Effective Perl Programming as your second book. In no way Learning Perl should be your first Perl book. Perl 5 Interactive Course : Certified Edition has e-text and support site but does not cover Perl 5.6.
****+ [Open] Beginning Perl by Simon CozensPaperback - 700 pages 1st edition (May 25, 2000)
Wrox Press Inc; ISBN: 1861003145
Avg. Customer Review: [Note this is an open book. PDF in available from http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perlTOC Introduction Chapter 1: First Steps In Perl Chapter 2: Working with Simple Values Chapter 3: Lists and Hashes Chapter 4: Loops and Decisions Chapter 5: Regular Expressions Chapter 6: Files and Data Chapter 7: References Chapter 8: Subroutines Chapter 9: Running and Debugging Perl Chapter 10: Modules Chapter 11: Object-Oriented Perl Chapter 12: Introduction to CGI Chapter 13: Perl and Databases Chapter 14: The World of Perl Appendix A: Regular Expressions Appendix B: Special Variables Appendix C: Function Reference Appendix D: The Perl Standard Modules Appendix E: Command Line Reference Appendix F: The ASCII Character Set Appendix G: Licenses Appendix H: Solutions to Exercises Appendix J: Support, Errata and P2P.Wrox.Com Index
Great for Teaching Perl, February 14, 2007 F. L. Fabrizio
- Paperback: 464 pages
- Publisher: Apress; 2 edition (August 30, 2004)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 159059391X
- ISBN-13: 978-1590593912
I use this book to teach Perl in a university course. I feel it does a very good job at exposing just enough of Perl to make it useful without confusing beginning students. I chose this over O'Reilly's Learning Perl (also a good book) because this book goes into References, Modules and a bit of OO Perl, and also has what I feel is slightly better treatment of shortcuts like $_ as well as lexically-scoped variables with 'my'. O'Reilly has broken these topics across two books (Learning Perl and Intermediate Perl), both fine books but I only want the students to have to buy one book. I feel that Perl is not very useful without references, so that was the major reason for switching to this book for a beginning Perl course. I highly recommend it.
Beginning Perl, 2nd Edition, October 6, By T. Barr (Mt. Prospect, IL United States)
Beginning Perl, 2nd edition, by James Lee, et al., is a splendid
introduction to the Perl programming language, version 5.8.3. The flow
of the book is logical, straightforward, and highly readable. Text is
heavily sprinkled with program examples that the reader can easily try
out along the way, as well as exercises at the end of most chapters,
with solutions in the appendix. Chapters are short, clear, and
engaging.After a brief discussion of the history of Perl and a listing of
numerous helpful online resources, the book quickly moves on to the
logistics of running a Perl program, followed by descriptions of basic
program elements and control flow. Then it's ahead to more
sophisticated data elements - lists, arrays, and hashes - and finally
functions and subroutines.After a solid and seemingly effortless explanation of these "basics,"
the book moves to one of the most powerful features in Perl - regular
expressions - and how these can be used to access files and data. From
there, the discussion expands to string processing and references. The
book concludes with discussions of more "advanced" Perl features,
including object-orientation, modules, and use with webservers and
databases.Regardless of topic, the writing style stays crisp, clear, and
example-filled, making this book a highly effective and enjoyable way to
get a jump-start into Perl programming for the novice or a quick
refresher for the expert wanting a Perl 5 update.
Jon Orwant / Paperback, 2-d edition / Published 1997
Paperback - 860 pages Bk&Cd-Rom edition (November 1, 1997)
Waite Group Pr; ISBN: 1571691138 ;
Avg. Customer Review: *****
Number of Reviews: 11
Here are some reviews from amazon.com that probably worth reading:
[email protected] from New York, USA , July 15, 1999 *****
It is a great book!
When I read other people's reviews, I always wonder what kind of background these people have in programming. Well, here is my background: I know HTML, JavaScript, C++, a little bit of Java, DHTML, and databases. When I found out that I had to learn Perl, I was scared because, after 4 years of college, that is the first language that I had to learn completely on my own. However, this book made my learning experience as easy as possible. The book provides very good explanations, a lot of examples, and an EXCELLENT reference section. I think this is one of the best programming books I have read so far.A reader from New Jersey , January 30, 1999 *****
A Strong Learning Tool for the Perl Language
As far as books that claim they will teach you Perl in any number of days / lessons, this book is by far the best. The lessons, exercises and on-line quizzes are structured very well to make sure you understand the material in the lesson. The lessons are short and sweet and cover only a few topics at a time, which makes it easy to master a lesson at a time.The examples in the book are effective and can be used immediately to help you solve those simple real world problems. The book does fall short in helping you easily conquer more complex issues quickly. However, the online resources are great for helping you address these problems.
Steven Holzner / Paperback / Published 1999
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A good quick-reference as well as having sufficient depth , April 3, 2000
Reviewer: gooberboy (see more about me) from Australia
As an electrical engineer with a reasonable programming background, I needed a book that would allow me to come up to speed in Perl quickly without having to first plough through endless tutorials or mindless banter that those 'Dummies' books (or similar) offer. The Black Book meets this need using a unique format -- 'quick solutions' to common programming problems, like data storage, flow control, formatting, etc, ordered in a well indexed and logically laid out volume. I found this format facilitated the learning of the language rapidly while I was developing my first Perl applications. The Black Book's only negative aspect is the author's annoying little 'stories' at the beginning of each section involving the reader and fictional characters like the 'Big Boss' and the 'Novice Programmer'. These stories don't suit the otherwise excellent format of the book and only distract. Ignore the first paragraph of each section that contains them and the Perl Black Book is a handy reference you'll certainly keep near your computer.
Ideal Reference Material , July 26, 2000
Reviewer: A reader from Mt. Pleasant, USA
Perl Black Book is probably the best technical book I have ever read. This book will save you time through its organization, concise explanatory style, and content. The "Black Book" enables a programmer to quickly access information, especially keyword syntax. Each chapter begins with an overview of what will be covered including page numbers for "immediate solutions" to those problems you need a quick answer to. I don't know how many times I have spent more time than I would like sifting through pages of text looking for the correct syntax for the 'if' construct, or playing back-and-forth with the glossary trying to locate a specific function to manipulate a string. This book will help you find answers quickly. The book covers nearly every major aspect of beginning/intermediate level Perl programming in a consistent, fluent, and well-organized manner. Regular expressions, cgi programming w/ Perl, OO, and Perl/Tk are all covered. If you have an understanding of the basic elements of programming, this book serves as a valuable reference, and helps to further explain and clarify some of the more difficult aspects of the language without being too verbose. This book does not provide very many references to additional information, however.
Textbook Binding - 438 pages Bk&Cd Rom edition (January 1999)
Addison-Wesley Pub Co; ISBN: 0201360683 ;
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 130,251
Avg. Customer Review:
Number of Reviews: 6Here are some relevant Amazon reviews:
***** Excellent book, well-written with lots of valuable info. October 4, 1999
Reviewer: Michael Tacelosky (see more about me) from Washington, DC
Although my bookshelves are already full of 700-page Perl books of the "Teach Yourself" variety, I was unable to find any good explanations of the LWP module. When I found a chapter devoted to LWP in Perl Power, I was thrilled and immediately bought the book.
What I didn't expect was the bonus of someone finally providing a good explanation of Perl 5 and object-oriented Perl. That section ALSO would have been worth the price of the book.
Even the first chapter had all sorts of insights and explanations I found invaluable. I've been using Perl off and on for about 3 years, mostly writing quick utilities, and I'll credit this book with wanting to make me use Perl more.
*****Perl power December 30, 1999 Reviewer: Dennis Krystowiak from Detroit, Michigan
Excellent book that gets you started with lots of areas of Perl. Most of the code I have tried works fine with Activestates's 523 build and with the Perl development kit 1.2.4. Having code that work is rare with these books especially with Windows. I use 98 and NT and unix. This book is not a definitive guide to Perl but it gives you a good summary in most of the important area's and enough code to get started quickly. It gave me lots of ideas on things I could use Perl for. I also like "Perl 5 complete" for theory, but the code for that book is very buggy and hard to get to work. I like its detailed explanation of how things are suppose to work. "Perl Cookbook" is also excellent for how to solve problems various kinds of problems. These are the best of the Perl books I have.
Bill Frischling ([email protected]) from Arlington, VA , July 20, 1999 *****
A Must-Have Perl Reference
This book is a must have, and an excellent addition to the shelf of any Perl programmer, beginner or otherwise. You should be comfortable with general programming concepts to get the best use out of it. Great use of examples in here, and a very, *very* good read in comparison to other, denser volumes that cover this topic. Writing style does make it far easier to get the gist in this book, and Mr. Schilli does not bore you to tears with geek prose, thank heavens. You get the info you need with a snappy style to boot.[email protected] from Memphis, TN , February 13, 1999 *****
A "Perl of great worth"!
Somehow the phrase "jump start" seems a little feeble when Schilli's energetic style catapults you into Perl. I didn't expect to be impressed by a "jump start guide" to a language with which I'm already familiar, but a brief thumb-through quickly changed my mind.The first hundred pages or so provide a lightening-strike introduction to the basics of Perl. Best-suited for a reader with prior programming experience, the first chapter illustrates the most important Perl concepts efficiently, but also includes enough subtleties and effective examples that it's worth a look by a non-beginner.
After equally vigorous introductions to Perl objects and modules, Schilli focuses on two exciting areas where Perl's unique strengths are well-suited, Tk-based graphical user interface development and internet programming. Although Perl has many important uses beyond these two, they make an effective introduction to the breadth and power of the language.
Even the appendices contain a surprising variety of useful information, from the instructions for installing Perl from the included CD, to the quick references to HTML and POD, to the links to a variety of resources available through the 'Net.
Clearly, a "jump start guide" can't cover every detail of a language as eclectic as Perl; nevertheless, Schilli has done a very good job of selecting topics that will get the reader up and running quickly, while leaving them prepared to learn even more. I also consider this book nearly ideal for the reader who is already familiar with Perl as a rapid-development text-processing and scripting language, and who is now ready to move into full-blown application development in Perl.
Average Customer Review:
Paperback - 350 pages (October 1999)
Manning Publications Company; ISBN: 1884777805 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.78 x 9.23 x 7.39**** Too much spread out too thin
Reviewer: Andy Lester from McHenry, IL April 5, 2000
This book doesn't feel like a Perl book. It feels like Johnson is a C programmer at heart, trying to write a book about Perl.Worse, it's such a wide survey of Perl as to be incongruous. He's got pages devoted to the thought process behind how to structure a program, which is fine for an introductory text; but then he gets into anonymous hashes and different sorting algorithms. Is this an introductory book or not?
The chart on page 184 of all the regex elements is completely useless. It shows all the elements, but doesn't explain at all what they do.
It sure LOOKS great. I love the visual internal style of all the Manning books.
I haven't seen anything that's incorrect, and he writes clearly enough. It's just poorly organized and feels like it was thrown together.
***** Emphasis on Programming
Reviewer: A reader from Syracuse, NY April 4, 2000
I came to this book with some experience in Javascript and Lingo, but no foundation in programming concepts and a desire to learn Perl. This book was perfect for me. It focuses on programming practices from the beginning, using Perl code for examples of major concepts. By the time it deals directly with the language, you're already familiar with the way Perl looks and works.
For me, some of the early material wasn't necessary, but the author's style is transparent enough not to become obsequious. It's refreshingly free of "now let's do ____; but first let's do ____" idioms that insult and baffle simultaneously.
Anyone who wants to learn programming, but doesn't plan to actually use Visual Basic in the future, should consider this book. It makes a primer on programming concepts unnecessary, and it give a solid introduction to a widely useful language.
**** Excellent reading
Reviewer: PHO January 26, 2000
I am pleased to recommend this book. As another reviewer wrote, I have also read Learning Perl and looked through Programming Perl, but while I was able to learn a fair amount from them, I kept feeling a bit lost when it came to things like how exactly do I use regexes and the types of data structures etc. I took a programming course in Pascal and Fortran too long ago (21 years), I think. At any rate, this book helped me feel a lot more confident with Perl - how to use CPAN, the abundant Perl documentation etc. I don't think that it would be the best book for a first-time programmer without an instructor, but if you have the stamina and perserverance to learn on your own, then this book is a must. Further, the book reads well. In addition, all errata in the first edition can be found at the publishers website, and are generally minor corrections.
Amazon Price: $31.99
Paperback - 500 pages 2nd Bk&cdr edition (September 2000)
IDG Books Worldwide; ISBN: 0764547291
See also his book Perl Modules
The book has a web site at http://www.pconline.com/~erc/perlbook.htm, but it's not very useful for Perl (but contains a good links for Linux).I owned the first edition. The first edition was pretty decent and contained some examples that you can use in your own development, especially related to Perl/Tk.
Parts of Perl like regular expressions are treated superficially.
See also a review by Donald Bryson in UnixWorld Online. The book does not have a e-text online (or at least beta as Perl 5 Complete).
Eric F. Johnson is a prolific writer and authored several books including:
- Unix Programming Tools (1997)
- Graphical Applications With Tcl and Tk (1996)
- Advanced X Window Applications Programming The Basics and Beyond (1990)
and a book Perl Modules (1998).
He co-authored a large number of books on Unix(including several on Linux) and X Windows including:
- Unix in Plain English
- Linux Programming (Mis Press Slackware Series) (see also interview with Kevin Reichard)
- Using X; Troubleshooting the X Window System Motif and Open Look
- Linux Configuration and Installation (Mis Press Slackware Series)
- Teach Yourself Unix
- Advanced X Window Application Programming (1994)
- X Window Applications Programming
- Power Programming...Motif
Randall L. Schwartz, Tom Christiansen / Paperback, 302 pages / O'Reilly, July 1997/ 2-nd edition
*** Poorly organized and difficult to use April 8, 1999
Reviewer: A reader from IllinoisAs an experienced systems administrator and script writer I was extremely offput by this book. Of course it's an ORA book and thus the quality is there, but I swear I have no idea how the authors got this poorly organized, confusing amalgamation past the editors unless they were simply too baffled to reject it and gave up. For starters, the footnotes often contradict the text which references them. The writing is thick and assumes too much. The authors' sense of humor apparently dictates the presense of smart-alecky and totally irrelevant commentary at random spots, just to make sure that the reader is absolutely lost. And the index! The index references such important aspects of Perl as "Astro [from "the Jetsons"], pronouncing 'Windex'" and "Max Headroom," yet if you look up the keyword "hash" -- which has an entire chapter devoted to it -- there is no listing at all in the entire index. You can look up associative arrays (a deprecated term) though. I found this book to be hostile to the learning process. In fact, I picked it up no fewer than three times trying to learn basic perl from it, only to toss it down in frustration after pulling my hair out. Compare the ORA Korn shell book, which is beautifully instructive, concise and clear, and with a wonderful index with nearly every important function listed. This was the first ORA book I wished I hadn't bothered to purchase. One could argue that perl5 is simply too complex to be gently introduced, yet I learned more about perl from reading Webmonkey's quickie six page tutorial than I did from "Learning Perl." I was quite disappointed with this book. Buy a copy if you must, but plan to use it as a (poor) reference because its teaching abilities are limited.
*** Generic perl topic are OK, Win32 and NT specifics are poor, March 30, 1999Paperback / Published 1997
[email protected] from Gouda, Netherlands
I bought this book as starter to learn more about Perl in general (and for Win32 systems). I found the very first chapters to be of good service, though I spotted these elementary Perl programming techniques in other O'Reilly books too. The Win32 part is in my opinion very poor, it doesn't explain things very well like OLE, reading/writing the Event log and other rudimentary system administration tasks. If you have a lot of free time on your hands like I sometimes tend to have, take some time to search for example scripts for Win32, and together with this book you will be able to understand. Though I think a new edition would be a good idea, covering specifically Win32 platform (people should buy other books to learn Perl in general, I do not like to see the same 3 chapters in every book over again).
Eric C. Herrmann / Paperback / Published 1999
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Several positive reviews on Amazon.com
Table of Contents
by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, Jon Orwant
Amazon Price: $39.96
Paperback - 1067 pages 3rd edition (July 2000)
O'Reilly & Associates; ISBN: 0596000278 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.70 x 9.21 x 7.04
Avg. Customer Review:
Number of Reviews: 3
Pretty average book and I'm a little bit surprised by the generosity of the reader reviews. Perl
is something of a cult, so I think in a lot of cases a positive review means "I like Perl" more than
it means "I like 'Programming Perl.' book ". There is something like "Lemmings effects" here. People
hesitate (understandably, I think) to insult a book that's closely associated with a great open-source
language.
This is not a textbook, this is a reference pretty close to Perl man pages. Should not be your first
or only book on Perl. IMHO neither Perl nor REXX became much better with introduction of OOP features,
so you could probably benefit from getting the first edition of the book if you can find it. Anyway
it make sense to learn procedural style before trying to master OOP stuff. You also can try to get the
first edition if you can as it contains some chapters that were moved to the Cookbook in the second
and third editions.
See some reviews of the second edition:
A "don't have to" read, May 30, 2000
Reviewer:
Joseph N. Hall (see more about me) from Chandler, AZ
The official reference for the Perl language did not improve in its second generation. The original
"purple Camel" is, in my opinion, a true classic where books about programming and programming languages
are concerned--I rank it right there with The C Programming Language, Anatomy of Lisp, Algorithms +
Data Structures = Programs, and so forth. It was a classic because it was filled with lucid expressions
of the thoughts of Perl's quintessentially pragmatic creator, Larry Wall. It was a classic because it
provided a literate and thoroughly reasoned counterpoint to arguments in favor of more formally based
languages and programming styles.
But ... somewhere in the extensive revisions, additions, extensions, and deletions that transformed the first Camel book into this, the second Camel book, the magic went away. And some very suspicious stuff went in. The book lost its digressive, essayic feel and became more of a perfunctory reference work. Additionally, some of the completely new material turned out to be just a little ... strange. The discussion of object-oriented programming based around the term "thingy" just doesn't do it for me. (Ignore all that and read Damian Conway's book instead.)
Preferences of style and tone aside, an unavoidable flaw of an infrequently-updated book like this one is that it inevitably refers to an obsolescent version of Perl. If you want current Perl documentation, you need to read the man(ual) pages that came with that version of Perl. What's in this book is generally but not completely accurate for newer versions of Perl. And because it's intended to be a more or less complete reference covering even small details, it can't help but be dead wrong on some points as the language continues to evolve. Bear in mind, also, that much of the material in this book comes STRAIGHT from the man pages. (Just not the up-to-date versions.)
A third edition is in the works, which will no doubt be at least a temporary improvement. If the newer version restores the insight and charm of the original, it will certainly deserve a place on your programming bookshelf. But as a reference work intended to cover a constantly-evolving language, Programming Perl will always suffer by being out of date.
If you are the type who dislikes reading electronic documentation, by all means, buy a copy of this
book. But you'll find that you have to use the online documentation anyway.
Badly Organized, but a Great Reference, February 3, 2000
Reviewer:
Dan Budowski (see more about me) from Israel
The book itself, used as a Reference and for mastering Perl, is a five star book. But there are a quite
a few disadvantages:
1. The book is not intended to the ones who have no programming experience at all. The read should be at least an intermediate programmer, because the basic programming concepts of the language (Variables, Subs and etc..) are badly explained.
2. Because of Perl's C Like Syntax, it is recommended that the reader will know C, Awk, or Grep and Some experience in the Unix Environment.
3. The Book itself is badly organized, certain complicated things are shown in examples and explanations, and those things are taught many pages afterwards. For Example: An Example of a perl program is shown on page 10, and that example contains subs and pattern matching, which are taught 100 Pages later!
These are the 3 Main Disadvantages. For Conclusion, if you're new to programming, or want to learn
Perl easliy, buy "Learning Perl", but if you're a somewhat experienced programmer, and want to master
Perl, this book is the best one you'll find for that purpose.
Steven Holzner / Paperback / Published 1999
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A good quick-reference as well as having sufficient depth , April 3, 2000
Reviewer:
gooberboy (see more about me) from Australia
As an electrical engineer with a reasonable programming background, I needed a book that would allow
me to come up to speed in Perl quickly without having to first plough through endless tutorials or mindless
banter that those 'Dummies' books (or similar) offer. The Black Book meets this need using a unique
format -- 'quick solutions' to common programming problems, like data storage, flow control, formatting,
etc, ordered in a well indexed and logically laid out volume. I found this format facilitated the learning
of the language rapidly while I was developing my first Perl applications. The Black Book's only negative
aspect is the author's annoying little 'stories' at the beginning of each section involving the reader
and fictional characters like the 'Big Boss' and the 'Novice Programmer'. These stories don't suit the
otherwise excellent format of the book and only distract. Ignore the first paragraph of each section
that contains them and the Perl Black Book is a handy reference you'll certainly keep near your computer.
Ideal
Reference Material , July 26, 2000
Reviewer: A reader from Mt. Pleasant, USA
Perl Black Book is probably the best technical book I have ever read. This book will save you time through
its organization, concise explanatory style, and content. The "Black Book" enables a programmer to quickly
access information, especially keyword syntax. Each chapter begins with an overview of what will be
covered including page numbers for "immediate solutions" to those problems you need a quick answer to.
I don't know how many times I have spent more time than I would like sifting through pages of text looking
for the correct syntax for the 'if' construct, or playing back-and-forth with the glossary trying to
locate a specific function to manipulate a string. This book will help you find answers quickly. The
book covers nearly every major aspect of beginning/intermediate level Perl programming in a consistent,
fluent, and well-organized manner. Regular expressions, cgi programming w/ Perl, OO, and Perl/Tk are
all covered. If you have an understanding of the basic elements of programming, this book serves as
a valuable reference, and helps to further explain and clarify some of the more difficult aspects of
the language without being too verbose. This book does not provide very many references to additional
information, however.
Perl : Programmer's Reference ~ Usually ships in 24 hours
Martin C. Brown / Paperback / Published 1999
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Martin Brown / Paperback / Published 1999
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???? Perl 5 Quick Reference (Quick Reference Series) e-text is available
Michael O. Foghlu, / Paperback / Published by Que 1996 / ISBN: 0789708884
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The complete Perl reference - useful for finding the syntax for the most common and obscure Perl commands.
Online version __ Rex Swain's HTMLified Perl 5 Reference Guide
An HTMLified version of the Perl 5 Desktop Reference.
ISBN 1-56592-187-9, by Johan Vromans.
**** Perl 5 Pocket Reference ~ Usually ships in 24 hours
Johan Vromans, Gigi Estabrook (Editor) / Paperback / Published 1998
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**** Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21 Days (available electronically from http://www.mcp.com/personal/)
David Till / Paperback, 870 pages / Published by Sams 16-May-1996 (second edition)/ ISBN: 0672308940 ;
This well-structured book is actually a reference and as such it might complement David Medinets' book, which is also an open book.
It assumes that you are familiar with the basics of using the UNIX operating system. So it is good for Linux users. Books contain exercises after each chapter, "Do and Don't" boxes and unlike other books it does contain a chapter on Perl debugger.
Avg. Customer Review: ***+ Number of Reviews: 38
From readers reviews:
This is both an excellent first book on Perl. The book is easy to read, really teaches the essentials of the language, and has a great index for reference (although not as good as the previous Perl 4 version of the book).
***+ Perl 5 How-To : The Definitive Perl 5 Problem-Solver ~ Usually ships in 2-3 days
Stephen Asbury(Editor), et al / Paperback / Published 1997
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Actually this book is a competitor to Cookbook. It also contain implementation of several algorithms in Perl
Here is one review from Amazon.com:
Great book premise/very helpful
I just bought this book today after much Perl book researching. This book is well organized/layed out
and every example shows how to accomplish a real world task. Normally I go for the O'Reilly books, but
this book illustrates how to do so much (dynamic HTML, sockets, forking processes, etc.) in one volume.
I do wish that the book did touch more on SQL database access modules. Very happy I found this book.
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Steven Holzner / Paperback / Published 1999
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Steven Holzner is a professional who have wrote a several dozens of books. So he definitely know the ropes of a language textbook writing. Here are some reviews from Amazon.com
A reader from Texas, USA , August 18, 1999 *****
Will Wonders Never Cease?
The first Perl book I've seen that is truely great for beginners, great for people who are already Perl programmers, has a lot of example code, is a great reference, has a good reference section, and also seems to not leave any important details/sections out. The fact that it is very well organized/divided is definately a plus! Any person who wishes to learn Perl or have a great reference, MUST have this on their bookshelf.A reader from usa , April 15, 1999 ****
Good Book for Perl. Lots of Example Code
I think this is a great reference book for perl. It covers all the major topics with examples on each of the minor details. Chapters are divided by topics such as hashs,arrays,cgi. Excellent reference. Biggest draw back is sometimes the examples are too short so that it becomes difficult to figure out how it would operate in a large program.
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Martin C. Brown / Paperback / Published 1998
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Martin Borwn, Martin Brown / Paperback / Published 1999
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Perl Programmer's Reference ~ Usually ships in 24 hours
Martin Brown / Paperback / Published 1999
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***+ The Perl 5 Programmmer's Reference : Windows 95/T, MacIntosh, OS/2 & Unix (the CD includes a hypertext version of the book)
R. Allen Wyke, Luke Duncan / Paperback, 428 pages +CD / Ventana Communications Group, October 1997 /ISBN: 1566047501
The CD includes a hypertext version of the book which make it definitely above average. Some readers complained about errors in reviews on Amazon.com.
**+ The Perl Resource Kit With CD-ROM - ???
By Larry Wall, Nate Patwardhan, Ellen Siever, David Futato & Brian
Jepson 1st Edition November 1997 1-56592-370-7, 1812 pages, $149.95, Includes 4 books & CD-ROM
Overpriced and not very useful: avoid it, unless you really need it
**+ Perl in a Nutshell : A Desktop Quick Reference
Ellen Siever, et al / Paperback / Published 1998
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Weak, no examples; use Cookbook instead
John Orwant / Paperback /Advice Press, as of May 25, 1998 not yet published
???? Perl/Tk Pocket Reference ~ Usually ships in 24 hours
Steve Lidie, Stephen Lidie / Paperback / Published 1998
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****
Advanced Perl Programming (Nutshell Handbook)
Sriram Srinivasan / Paperback / Published 1997 -- a very good book on advanced topics. One chapter is even devoted to the programming Tetris in Perl ;-). Examples and corrections (this is the first edition) are available from O'Reilly web site. Should not be your first or only book on Perl and probably one should first read Effective Perl Programming. But I do recommend you to read or at least browse this book. In my opinion this is one of the best book that explains the namespaces in Perl more or less well. That also means that you can understand what modules in Perl are really about and do no need rely of superficial hype of some other books ;-) I Also like the author style. He really understands a lot about software engineering not only about Perl and that colors the book.
**** Object Oriented Perl
Damian Conway, Randal L. Schwartz (Foreword) / Paperback / Published
1999
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Average Customer Review: *****
This book not a usual junk OO book ;-). It really worth reading.
***+ Perl: The Programmer's Companion
Nigel Chapman / Paperback / Published 1997.
Paperback - 292 pages (September 1997)
John Wiley & Sons; ISBN: 047197563X ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.73 x 9.08 x 7.44
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 26,637
Avg. Customer Review: ****+
Number of Reviews: 10
This is the only book on Perl that I know that was written by the author of a C++ book. IMHO this book is most useful, if you already know Perl a little bit, so it should not be your first book. The text is not available electronically, but to have some idea about the book you can read an introduction online (see Introduction) The book suffers from Pascal style syntax diagrams ;-), but I really like the author's style -- a very intelligent style indeed.
The book greatly benefited from the author background and understanding of C++ and thus it provides some insights into Perl that other books on Perl do not offer. Chapman explains how to use Perl effectively, along with the language's nuances. He also devotes some effort in describing good Perl programming style.
This is the only book on Perl that discuss trade offs made by Larry Wall in designing the language. The style is more European that in other Perl books. This is not surprising as the author is British. The British generally seem to be more articulate than Americans, so the language reflects that difference. Malcolm Beattie, release manager for 5.005 and the author of the Perl code-generator is listed a reviewer of the final draft.
On the negative side I would like to note that Pascal-style diagrams are not very useful. The layout and typography could be better.
The author also has written The Late Night Guide to C++ -- an introductory book on C++ (1996, see review in CB and pretty honest interview with the author about the book ) and LR Parsing: Theory and Practice (1988). The last two definitely attest him as an expert in the programming language field.
This book has positive readers reviews on www.amazon.com.
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**** Effective Perl Programming: Writing Better Programs With Perl -- Several chapters are available electronically
Joseph N. Hall, Randal L. Schwartz / Paperback / Published 1998
Paperback - 288 pages 1st edition (January 1998)
Addison-Wesley Pub Co; ISBN: 0201419750 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.63 x 9.17 x 7.34
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 3,991
Avg. Customer Review: *****
Number of Reviews: 10
A useful intermediate to advanced level book on Perl. Explains a lot of idioms and pitfalls of the language.
Not all recommendations should be taken for granted. Highly recommended as a second book on Perl. I
prefer it to the Cookbook, but you is involved with the language on daily basis you probably should
think about buying both. Like Tom Christiansen this guy is obsessed with finding shortcuts in Perl,
but if you ignore this perversion the book is pretty much OK.
The author cares about his book. The Joseph Hall's website http://www.effectiveperl.com/ contains some chapters in PDF format. I also like his growing Perl Recipes area. In general the quality of the web site distinguish this book from others even more.
Like Scott Meyers' Effective C++, on which it is modeled, Joseph Hall's Effective Perl Programming is not for the novices. In some way it demonstrates Perl design flaws. Text contain 60 topics (called items), grouped into 10 sections, that illuminate difficult parts of the language. For example assigning undef to an array creates an array with one element -- uninitialized arrays in Perl have value (), the empty list. Sometimes show useful idioms like ($i, $j)=($j, $i) for exchanging two elements. It also includes several tips on using the debugger effectively and submitting modules to the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (http://www.perl.org/CPAN/).
Here is one amazon.com review:
A reader from Seattle, WA , June 30, 1999 *****
code with style . . .
One beauty of perl is that there are so many ways to do any given task. This can also make life hell when you have to maintain other people's code, or even your own code several months later. While this book doesn't tell you 'one right way' to do things, it does show you how to do things with style. Not only will you feel cool for writing pretty code, you'll be much happier with it in the long run.
***+ Mastering Regular Expressions : Powerful Techniques for Perl and Other Tools (Nutshell Handbook)
Jeffrey Friedl / Paperback / Published 1997
The book is not limited to Perl. Perl just over-rely on them in parsing the text. Regexs are also used in such languages as Python, TCL, Expect, AWK, Lex, in utilities like Grep Egrep, and most editors including Emacs, vi, and sed. See also WEB site Mastering Regular Expressions that contains links to the additional material from the book.
Regular expressions are a mixed blessing. Like other functional languages using regular expressions is not that difficult after you have (a lot of) experience, but at the beginning learning is usually very frustrating. People just do not understand that regex evolved in a very complex language. To make things worse you just cannot accomplish simple things without learning a lot of stuff. Semantic of some characters in regular expressions is different from Perl and is dependent upon context (for example the meaning of "^" in /^a/ and /[^a]/ ).
To make things worse documentation about regular expressions is usually bad and uncompleted. There is no regular expression debugger. So the best way to go is to create a list of typical regular expressions that you may need and debug them beforehand (cookbook approach). Generally the best way out is to avoid complex regular expressions (KISS principle) and use non-greedy matching whenever possible. And here the book can help a lot as it contains many useful examples, although there should be more. Among them:
[0-9]+(\.[0-9])+ -- regular expression for matching IP addresses<H[1-6]> * \\H[1-6] -- HTML headers
^(From|Subject|Date): -- line in the e-mail message header (it is important to understand that the alteration is not greedy
See also review in DDJ
*** Software Engineering With Perl : Prototyping & Toolsmithing for Better Software-Sooner/Book and Disk
Paperback, 282 pages/Published by Prentice Hall: May 1995/ISBN: 013016965X
An interesting approach to Perl. See the contents of the book for more details. This book uses Perl as a sample language to explore the practical aspects of Toolsmithing, prototyping, and reuse. Topics like metrics, configuration management and portability are also discussed. But the book does not have a Web site (there is a page http://www.primenet.com/~peasem/ but it contains nothing interesting).
Eric Johnson / Paperback -- see also his book Cross-Platform Perl
Paperback - 429 pages (March 1998)
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Good
book, but the print is too big, June 24, 1999
Reviewer: A reader from Sacramento, CA
The book has some quite useful code and good examples of how OO works in Perl. I think they could have
shrunk the font size down alot and saved a tree when they published it, though. It does have some real
good source code that came with it, as well.
???? Mastering Algorithms With Perl
Jon Orwant, et al / Paperback / Published 1999
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Actually I do not know what to recommend to the reader who wants to master Perl in Win32 environment other than Scott McMahan book. I have more or less positive experience with Perl Complete that is a really good introductory book, but it's not Win32 specific.
**** Automating Windows with Perl With CDROM
Scott McMahan / Paperback / Published 1999
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Amazon.com Sales Rank: 6,094
Avg. Customer Review: *****
Number of Reviews: 2
Web site: Automating Windows With Perl
Probably the first book completely devoted to the using Perl in Win32 environment Paperback - 350 pages Bk&Cd Rom edition (September 1999)
The author has an impressive site: The Cyber Reviews. See his Resume. Two reviews about the books (I usually am suspect about the first one, but once I manage to write the first review myself (for Perl Complete), so not all of them are written by the author friends ;-) are positive. Here is the second review:
[email protected] from Seattle, WA , September 28,
1999 *****
How To Use Perl With Windows To Get A Big Fat Raise
This book should be titled "How To Use Perl With Windows To Get A Big Fat Raise Raise".
Imagine the following on your annual review form:
"Automated my daily build to occur off-hours, thereby saving a hour per day for more productive activities. Provided free software and training to my colleages to automate each team member's daily build, providing a net increase of useful development team time of 12-1/2 percent."
Don't you think ought to be worth an easy 10-15% raise? (If not, then you really need to find a new employer.)
If that is not enough, try this:
"Implemented Automation interfaces in developed code to facilitate automated testing of code off-hours. Automated test procedures provided email report of nightly test results to all concerned parties."
I can not recall any book packed with more useful, relevant, and exciting information. As the title states, it shows how to use Perl to automate mundane tasks such as daily builds and nightly back-ups. In addition, it shows how to use COM/OLE Automation to advantage in your Perl scripts. Need a quick UI element and you don't want to use Perl/Tk? This book shows how to use Visual C++ to create an Automation DLL for the purpose of executing dialogs from your script, with, of course, native look-and-feel. Need to do some heavy lifting in C++? Need to drive the Automation interface of MS applications? This books shows how to use COM Automation to do the heavy lifting, drive DevStudio, and drive some of the Office applications.
The content of this book drips with pragmatism. It seems to emphasize using the right tool for the job, and avoids unnecessary heroics. There are some very thoughtful sections concerning anti-Microsoft sentiment, as well as what is good and bad about both Windows and Unix. This book manages to avoid both bashing or cheerleading, it just informs. It shows you how to use the strengths of the combination of the Windows platform and Perl, and highlights some weaknesses in the Windows platform that a developer needs to be aware of. (In particular, read the section on distributing a VC++ 6.0 Automation Server on page 125. This section illuminates a problem that would be truly dreadful to debug.)
The Perl used in this book is at a level that anybody who read the O'Reilly Gecko or Llama books should understand. The author seems to forego the geeky Perl power one-liners common in other Perl books in the interest of clarity.
Quit wasting any more time reading this review. Buy the book and get back to work!
???? Win32 Perl Programming: The Standard Extensions (The MTP Network Architect and Developer Series) ~ Usually ships in 24 hours
Dave Roth / Paperback / Published 1999
Amazon price: $40.00
Paperback - 614 pages 1 edition (January 1999)
Macmillan Technical Publishing; ISBN: 1578700671 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.59 x 8.96 x 5.99
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 15,655
Avg. Customer Review: ****
Number of Reviews: 12.
Pretty expensive. But there is not much competition in this area to keep prices down. Also you can usually buy it with 30% or better discount. Here is one review that I like:
The creator of most of the Win32 extensions of Perl provides numerous proven examples and practical uses of Perl to solve everyday Win32 problems.
Mixed feelings about this book. Some chapters are fine - others leave a lot to be desired. Overall it is worth having as it does clear up some issues and the chapters on writing your own extensions, file management, data access and processes are very good. There are some errors and typos that would stump a novice Win32 perl programmer however.
I got the impression that the author concentrated on the extensions he developed very well but only gave the other (more useful?) extensions a decent explanation if he was interested in them.
The book starts off well detailing error handling and system administration for Perl on the Win32 platform. It started to dissapoint here as, in places, much more detail is included on the authors own web pages. There is a lot of detail on the more esetoric details of Win32 Perl such as Com & OLE, consoles and sound. This stuff is interesting but not as important as the more common and useful extensions dealing in, say, system administration.
The author (not surprisingly!) treats the extensions he has written himself in most detail - ODBC in particular. This is fine but glaring omissions are even here. For example the chapter on communication mentions the win32::pipe and win32::message extensions but nowhere does it explain that these are additional extensions that need to be downloaded and installed first (in most cases at least). I know from first hand experience that this would fox a newcomer to Win32 Perl builds.
**** Perl for System Administration Managing multi-platform environments with Perl
By David N. Blank-Edelman
1st Edition July 2000 1-56592-609-9
400 pages,
Amazon price $34.95
Good book. See also:
See also Perl for Win32 books.
Essential Windows NT System Administration ~ Usually ships in 2-3 days
Aeleen Frisch / Paperback / Published 1998
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Contains a lot of useful Perl scripts.
Windows Nt Administration Using Win32 Perl (The Landmark Series)
Mike McMillan / Paperback / Published 2000
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Steven Holzner / Paperback / Published 1999
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Great advanced book in a very interesting area
Book Review Website Automation Toolkit
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Nancy Walsh, Linda Mui (Editor) / Paperback / Published 1999
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***+ Teach Yourself Perl 5 for Windows NT in 21 Days
David Till, Tony Yantao Zhang / Paperback, 868 pages + CD
See discussion of **** Teach Yourself Perl
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***+ Perl 5 How-To : The Definitive Perl 5 Problem-Solver ~ Usually ships in 2-3 days
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Paperback - 894 pages 2 edition (September 1997)
Waite Group Pr; ISBN: 1571691189 ;
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 83,073
Avg. Customer Review: ***
Number of Reviews: 5
Actually this book is a competitor to both Cookbook and Mastering Algorithms With Perl and falls somewhere between two.
It does contain implementation of several algorithms in Perl (sorting, trees, etc.)
Here is one review from Amazon.com:
Great book premise/very helpful
I just bought this book today after much Perl book researching. This book is well organized/layed out
and every example shows how to accomplish a real world task. Normally I go for the O'Reilly books, but
this book illustrates how to do so much (dynamic HTML, sockets, forking processes, etc.) in one volume.
I do wish that the book did touch more on SQL database access modules. Very happy I found this book.
**+ Unix Shell Programming Tools (Unix Tools) ~ Usually ships in 24 hours
David Medinets / Paperback / Published 1999
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Actually it's not about Perl -- it contains TCL and shells part as well.
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